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03/04/2008, 19:20 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,202 Re: DLA some movement Benjamin Am I right in thinking that this announcement moves those already in France ( and Spain) who have lost their DLA no further forward in getting it back save its still being debated? Going back to Mr Cat's post, isn't the Daily Mail article correct about the level of assessments carried out after IB has been granted,   Nobody I know who was in receipt of IB in the UK has had to go back to the UK for an assessment, they get their French GP to do it, which is what the article said, isn't it? It said " They are required only to send Department for Work and Pensions officials confirmation from a GP that they are still too sick to take a job". What the article does not say is that the current procedure is all set to change.  Following the recent pressure from the Tories, the Government has brought forward its plans to reduce the numbers of people claiming IB. DWP staff have been told that all existing claimants are to be interviewed in person by external contractors and reassessed as to their ability to undertake work. Jobs will be offered to those who can work and those refusing to work will be taken off IB. Following this exercise there will be a significant reduction in IB interviwing staff at the DWP, so that assumes there will be also be a significant reduction in those being paid it. Why not post a sensible answer, people will appreciate it more    Report

03/04/2008, 19:31 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,408 Re: DLA some movement Ron, we are in correspondance with two people who have had IB assessments here in France.  This is done independently, not via the GP - but by a panel doctor who has no personal history with the claimant. It is carried out on a specific day, with no attention paid to the person's medical history.  In both cases the IB has been withdrawn.  One got this reinstated after an appeal to the UK and a further examination by an independent panel.  The other is here in France with no health cover pending appeal, having to pay for drugs just to keep them alive.  The stress whilst this person awaits the outcome has caused them to become extremely ill. This stinks.  Sorry. Healthcare Issues Site    Report

03/04/2008, 20:00 ali-cat Joined on 15/12/2005 Charente Maritime Posts 1,071 Re: DLA some movement  Ron Avery wrote: Going back to Mr Cat's post, isn't the Daily Mail article correct about the level of assessments carried out after IB has been granted,   Nobody I know who was in receipt of IB in the UK has had to go back to the UK for an assessment, they get their French GP to do it, which is what the article said, isn't it? It said " They are required only to send Department for Work and Pensions officials confirmation from a GP that they are still too sick to take a job".   Jobs will be voffered to those who can work and those who refuse will be taken off IB Well, you may not know me personnally, Ron, but you know of me.  Since arriving in France I have been assessed by a French doctor (not my own GP, but one nominated by DWP) regarding my IB to see if I should be entitled to continue receiving it.  Mr Cat will also be assessed in the near future, by a French doctor on behalf of the UK Government.  I would be more than happy to be assessed in the UK - it would certainly cut down on the expense of having to hire a translator, but unfortunately this is not an option. Looking vorward to my job voffers!!  Are zese voffers vot must be obeyed   Many years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this.    Report

03/04/2008, 21:50 ali-cat Joined on 15/12/2005 Charente Maritime Posts 1,071 Re: DLA some movement  Ron Avery wrote: Jobs will be offered to those who can work and those refusing to work will be taken off IB. Nice edit, Ron!! Many years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this.    Report

03/04/2008, 22:01 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,202 Re: DLA some movement Sorry Coops but it doesn't stink.  If a qualified medical doctor decides from an examination of your correspondents that they could do a day's work, how does that stink, isn't that good news for them?   Why should previous medical history come into it?  Whether a person used to have a bad back/stress/agraphobia/drug dependent does not mean that they are unable to work for all time or tomorrow.  IB is not a permanent payment nor an entitlement, it really is not meant to be paid to people who by their own choice move hundreds of miles away from a job, its meant to be paid to people who cannot work because of illness or disability, not because they cannot work because they now live in a different country. Why not post a sensible answer, people will appreciate it more    Report

03/04/2008, 22:10 woolybanana'sbrother Joined on 18/01/2008 Posts 1,321 Re: DLA some movement It seems that different doctors may have different opinions about what 'fit for work' means so that some claimants are classed as unable by one doc and able by another. The idea of changing the criteria seems sound, so that a person is assessed on what they can do and given support rather than it being black or white. Quite how that will affect people living here remains to be seen. I guess they could lose their benefit or be obliged to go to uk for a fresh assessment on the new criteria, and might find it difficult to remain inFrance as inactifs Do not try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.    Report

03/04/2008, 22:12 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 9,804 Re: DLA some movement >>If a qualified medical doctor decides from an examination of your correspondents that they could do a day's work, how does that stink, isn't that good news for them? << Not if there are no available jobs ! And especially not now the rules regarding accessing French health care have changed. www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

03/04/2008, 22:18 woolybanana'sbrother Joined on 18/01/2008 Posts 1,321 Re: DLA some movement they will be like anyone else then, wont they. Do not try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.    Report

03/04/2008, 23:47 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,202 Re: DLA some movement  Russethouse wrote: >>If a qualified medical doctor decides from an examination of your correspondents that they could do a day's work, how does that stink, isn't that good news for them? << Not if there are no available jobs ! And especially not now the rules regarding accessing French health care have changed.   But there are jobs in the UK RH.  They might not be what the IB claimants would choose to do but there are vacancies.  Surely people do not really want to be on IB if they can work do they?  If they can find work in France they will not be inactifs and so will not have to find PHI, so that will be less stressful for them and so they gain in both respects, if they have to work in the UK they will be covered by the good old NHS.  Why not post a sensible answer, people will appreciate it more    Report

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