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06/01/2008, 16:13 makfai Joined on 31/03/2007 Posts 304 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch  Tarn1 wrote: I personally, have found it extremely useful.  People have put in a huge amount of work for which they should be both congratulated and thanked. To say it 'can't be taken seriously' when many people are in a very serious position is, in my opinion, at best unhelpful and at worst an attempt at sabotage. Constructive feedback and corrections to inaccuracies, OK. Sweeping negative statements aimed at undermining sincere efforts to help others, No. If you don't like it just leave it alone. Tom   Or contribute to it by emailing FHI your suggested amendments    Report

06/01/2008, 16:43 groslard Joined on 26/12/2007 Posts 255 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch  powerdesal wrote:  groslard wrote:  makfai wrote: Which bits on the FHI site are wrong?   By the way...UK is not just a residence criterion as you will see from the FHI site. a simple example: "Until 1st October 2007, UK nationals wishing to become resident in France were obliged, under French law, to affiliate, and where appropriate, contribute to the CMU.  Comprehensive health insurance was not even an option. " Absolutely not true! I paid Private Health Insurance from 1995 to 1998, when I qualified for the Sécu (NOT the CMU) by cotisations.. And I have never been affiliated to the CMU. Are you saying that private health insurance was an allowable option after the 2000 ruling? My understanding is that early retired immigrants from UK had, BY LAW, to be affiliated to the CMU and that PHI was not allowed. Am I wrong? A simple yes or no to each quesion will suffice. No they could work, or run a business. the only had to join the CMU if they  didn't want to do that, so it was a choice to remain idle. Remember these are people under retiremernt age by definition.   and that PHI was not allowed. True    Report

06/01/2008, 21:54 Sunday Driver Joined on 07/10/2005 Deux Sevres (79) Posts 3,171 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch So, from your original insistence that the FHI statement "Comprehensive health insurance was not even an option" was Absolutely not true! (your emphasis), you now are forced to admit that you were wrong and that PHI was, in fact, not allowed.  The considered and careful research carried out by FHI ahead of their published statement was clearly more reliable than your contribution. Yet another failed attempt at making apparently informed comment on this subject  - your credibility must be now virtually non-existent.....     Waddya mean it's only Saturday......    Report

07/01/2008, 1:08 makfai Joined on 31/03/2007 Posts 304 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch  Sunday Driver wrote: So, from your original insistence that the FHI statement "Comprehensive health insurance was not even an option" was Absolutely not true! (your emphasis), you now are forced to admit that you were wrong and that PHI was, in fact, not allowed.  The considered and careful research carried out by FHI ahead of their published statement was clearly more reliable than your contribution. Yet another failed attempt at making apparently informed comment on this subject  - your credibility must be now virtually non-existent.....   Well said.  If there was anything constructive this person had to add I would have thought we would have seen it by now.    Report

07/01/2008, 1:30 groslard Joined on 26/12/2007 Posts 255 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch To say "Until 1st October 2007, .  Comprehensive health insurance was not even an option. " is not true The correct version would be that "for the limited period between 2000 and 2007  UK nationals wishing to become resident in France were obliged, under French law, to affiliate, and where appropriate, contribute to the CMU. For those resident before 2000, Private Health Insurance was an option which was temporarily withdrawn, and will become an option again."    Report

07/01/2008, 5:55 powerdesal Joined on 07/01/2006 Fujeirah, U.A.E Posts 2,239 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch  groslard wrote:  powerdesal wrote:  groslard wrote:  makfai wrote: Which bits on the FHI site are wrong?   By the way...UK is not just a residence criterion as you will see from the FHI site. a simple example: "Until 1st October 2007, UK nationals wishing to become resident in France were obliged, under French law, to affiliate, and where appropriate, contribute to the CMU.  Comprehensive health insurance was not even an option. " Absolutely not true! I paid Private Health Insurance from 1995 to 1998, when I qualified for the Sécu (NOT the CMU) by cotisations.. And I have never been affiliated to the CMU. Are you saying that private health insurance was an allowable option after the 2000 ruling? My understanding is that early retired immigrants from UK had, BY LAW, to be affiliated to the CMU and that PHI was not allowed. Am I wrong? A simple yes or no to each quesion will suffice. No they could work, or run a business. the only had to join the CMU if they  didn't want to do that, so it was a choice to remain idle. Remember these are people under retiremernt age by definition.   and that PHI was not allowed. True To say "Until 1st October 2007, .  Comprehensive health insurance was not even an option. " is not true The correct version would be that "for the limited period between 2000 and 2007  UK nationals wishing to become resident in France were obliged, under French law, to affiliate, and where appropriate, contribute to the CMU. For those resident before 2000, Private Health Insurance was an option which was temporarily withdrawn, and will become an option again." Groslard, your latest statement (in blue) above is pedantic to say the least. "they could work or run a business"........It is reasonable to assume that the overwhelming majority of ex-UK early retirees were aged 50+, are there / were there many job opportunities for this age group? Comments on this forum (and others) would suggest that the 50+ age group have zero chance of finding work. If they did would they not be taking away a job opportunity from a jobless French national?, would this be right, especially given the assumption that the retiree did not financially need the job? "run a business"....agreed, but again many comments have been made that starting a business in France is not exactly the easiest thing in the world. It also assumes that retirees are all potential business people. Not all people are capable of starting / running a successful business, nor do all people have a business idea which will work. The fact that any retiree immigating to France from UK was BY LAW required to affiliate to CMU at whatever cost the French Govt set is an uncontestable truth. It was never ever stated to be a "temporary" obligation, it was the stated law. There was never any intimation that the law would change - why would there be? Perhaps a student of the French system "may" have considered that the system would have to be changed at some time in the future but without the necessary highly accurate chrystal ball I defy anyone (including you) to do accurate predictions. Can you predict what rules will be changed next year, or the year after etc.? My personal view of your comments across the whole thread are that you are, to some degree, envious of the treatment accorded to the UK early retirees, possibly envious of the fact that those people were in a financial position to retire early, envious of the fact that a number of those people bought large houses for cash etc. In short, you have allowed personal envy to colour and cloud logical argument.(IMHO) nb. the H does not mean "humble" Steve Fujeirah Emirate, U.A.E + 50 (in France) ...........................................................................    Report

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