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   02/07/2008, 11:22
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Philip Kemp obviously didn't bother seeing the film. Three dams not one. Wing Commander Gibson was not the decision maker, MOD were.

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   02/07/2008, 14:23
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The IMDB pages devoted to The Dam Busters clearly show why Americans are treated with suspicion by many non-Americans. One of the continuing discussion points is the name of Gibson's dog. I'm sure that if I try to write it here the software will censor it (and probably alert the mods to an undesirable who should be eliminated.)

The comments made show an inability to understand that things may have been different at other times and in other cultures. Intellectual curiosity about an important event in WW2 that was not led by Americans is replaced by moral distaste about an animal's name which was commonplace at the time but which would now be rightly unacceptable.


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   02/07/2008, 23:22
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My American friend claims to be English when she is over here in France!
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   02/07/2008, 23:31
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 sweet 17 wrote:
My American friend claims to be English when she is over here in France!

Yes Sweet, I have spoken to a few Americans who consider doing the same.  I think they carry the same sort of apology as the Germans which is quite sad.  I would hate to feel that I were accountable for the political descisions of my country


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   03/07/2008, 5:38
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 sweet 17 wrote:
My American friend claims to be English when she is over here in France!

Yes, that is quite common, especially for an American who has spent time in the UK. I have found that "anti-américanisme primaire" is alive and well in French backwaters, and can be quite insulting. This, from people who have hardly ever left their own village or town.

They seem to see the American way of life (whatever that is) as the biggest threat to French traditions and terroir. Although they do watch many American shows on TV, have children who wear baseball caps and dress up as dudes, they are suspicious and dismissive of much that comes from the USA, and they have trouble seeing the contradictions in their perceptions. Of course, this is in itself, a vast generalisation and not meant as such. Just something that I have witnessed over and over, first hand.


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   03/07/2008, 7:58
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 Russethouse wrote:

A few weeks ago an American friend was visiting around the time of the anniversary of the Dambusters raid. As she hadn't heard of it I thought I would send her the DVD of the film - then I read the first review here:

http://www.amazon.com/Dam-Busters-Michael-Redgrave/dp/B000H1RFSM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1214993398&sr=1-1

Minor incident  ? - I'm sure those that died, British and German, would see it rather differently - it's that sort of lack insensitivity that sometimes makes me grind my teeth......Grrr.....

Methinks a very different account if one of their planes had been involved.

I remember commenting to my american friend about the US film of the rescuing of an Enigma machine off of a German sub. It was a British sub that did it but in the film it was an american sub. Her comment was that the British should have made the film first.

Perhaps the British should do a remake of the Alamo with British actors playing it as per Zulu :)

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   03/07/2008, 10:06
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I use a question to gauge the American on arrival, I ask them if they watch Fox News. If they fall about laughing then you know they are OK and normally tell you straight away they don't like Bush and don't know anyone who voted for him. Bit like standing in a pub back in the UK and asking "which one of you lot voted Labour" which in my experience is normally followed by deathly silence.

One chap and his wife who came to stay didn't have a car and asked to be collected from Carcassonne railway station, about 45 minutes drive from us. He was coming from Paris to Toulouse by plane then train onwards. He phoned to say he was on a later plane because he had missed the first one and would tell us all about why when he got here.

On arrival he said that Parisians didn't like Americans and that they had deliberately unscewed the the platform signs for the airport and remounted them on the opposite platform sending him in the opposite direction hence he missed his flight. They do it all the time apparently and he knew this because he came from New York and had used the subway there for 60 years so he knew a thing or two.

At dinner that night we had a headmaster and his (teacher) wife from Yorkshire and he told the two other couples (who were French and Belgian) that Margret Thatcher had given everyone in Yorkshire a free house and that a few years ago they finally got inside toilets. The couple from Yorkshire responded by saying (tongue in cheek) that the new toilets flushed as well which saved taking a bucket of water out to 'earth closet'.

The next morning at breakfast, before he sat down, he told the French and Belgians that he had now finally forgiven them for being cowards and letting the Germans march in to their country in WW2 thus resulting in Americans having to lay down their lives to get them out the sh1t yet again. Where would Europe be if it were not for America, some backwards, uncivilised backwater.

Thing was the Belgian chap was a rather large long distance lorry driver with only some English but enough to understand what was said. Fortunately I was standing directly behind where he was siting, it took all my strength to hold him down in his place.

I told the American chap that I didn't think it was a good idea for him to stay with us what with no car etc and couldn't get around so I booked a taxi for him the following morning (at 5:30, revenge can be sweet) to take him to the train station.

Yes he did watch Fox News both at night and in the morning and would prostrate in front of the TV every time Bush was on. I felt sorry for his wife who simply rolled her eyes every time he opened his mouth with the look of "what on earth is he going to say now".

We have had a few other wacky ones us well, like the woman who kept her '***' hair in a plastic back, took it out every evening and gave it a stoke (another story), I kid you not but then she did come from California where I understand they do that sort of thing.

I think I would not be alone in saying that I don't like America as a country for its politics but like all countries you will always get the good and the bad when talking about individuals. I mean we have had some pretty bad UK couples stay so we (as in Brits) don't have much to shout about either.

We tell our Americans, if they are OK, to say they are Canadian. If we don't like them we tell them they love Americans round here and to pop down the rugby bar in Quillan and let them know they are here. Seeing as two American companies closed factories down in Quillan because France would not participate in the Iraq war making nearly 8000 unemployed (both directly and indirectly) you can imagine the response they get.

We have two American couples in at the moment, not a nicer group you could ever meet.


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   03/07/2008, 15:46
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There is a large chunk of rural France who are deeply suspicious of blacks, homosexuals, Arabs, vegetarians, Parisians, jews, Germans, joggers, the internet, international business, politicians/civil servants/police/tax collectors, the British, the anti-smoking lobby, milky coffee after 11am, pork vindaloo, shiny new luxury cars and yes.....Americans.

Very similar prejudices exist in mid-western USA

Our young liberal American original poster will find plenty of similarities between these two great countries.  Most of the people I describe above will tend to keep themselves to themselves and just about everyone who the OP meets will be most welcoming.

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