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09/05/2008, 14:34 Patf Joined on 23/08/2004 SW Gers Posts 2,182 Re: Ragondin Benjamin - I think I can guess what you are implying. But when a cat has kittens you won't see them for a few weeks anyway. She will have chosen a secure spot to leave them, and ventures out herself soon after the birth, for food etc.    Report

09/05/2008, 14:55 Pixie Toadstool Joined on 11/09/2007 Manche/Hampshire Posts 71 Re: Ragondin I had always thought that drowning was meant to be one of the least painful ways to die along with carbon monoxide inhalation (gassing yourself with your car exhaust) and hypothermia. Doing a quick scan on google I have found 3 accounts from people who nearly died drowning and it doesn't seem that bad!  Much better than being burned at the stake or staked with a nasty pointed stick or  being poisoned (can be extremely painful).  Here are 3 accounts FYI: Having nearly drowned once the little I can add is that it didn't hurt. From what I see on tv it's horrific. But when it was actually happening to me, I refused to breathe and blacked out, underwater, in the ocean. When I came to I was on the dry ground having CPR done. I do not have any memory of pain.   I almost drowned when I was a kid and I can say that was not as bad as you imagine. I remember being underwater, the peace and tranquility and I felt I didn't want anyone to get me out of the water. I almost died drowning once. I can tell you that it is very unpleasant at first, you're really panicky, obviously, and it's painful not to breath. It's not quite like any other pain, though, it's like... irritating, too, like when you try not to swallow but your body wants you to. It's achy. But after a while, you start to give up, and it stops hurting. You feel kind of at peace. Your brain has so little oxygen that you stop panicking, and you kind of relax, until you pass out. That's when I was rescued, obviously. And usually when you pass out from lack of oxygen, you start breathing even though you're unconcious, but when you're under water, you obviously can't, so you die. Pix    Report

09/05/2008, 15:25 powerdesal Joined on 07/01/2006 Sharjah U.A.E Posts 2,173 Re: Ragondin Hey Soz, You really should have expected the flak  but good for you anyway. ( now I will share the flak I expect) Steve Sharjah (but not for long ) + 50 (in France) ........................................................................... 7 days Ins'Allah (1 with the packers, 2 for the week end, 4 for work)( or maybe 8, or 9, or 10 or 11 or....)    Report

09/05/2008, 15:54 Benjamin Joined on 21/08/2005 Vendée South Posts 1,661 Re: Ragondin  Patf wrote: Benjamin - I think I can guess what you are implying. That's my problem, too subtle by half.  Just to be a bit more specific; rural French families get rid of unwanted kittens by drowning them. Benjamin Snips, snails and puppy dog tails    Report

09/05/2008, 15:58 Dick Smith Joined on 23/08/2004 Surrey and Manche (Pays Mortainais) Posts 8,781 Re: Ragondin Ours don't. The cats are semi-feral, and are encouraged - a little - to keep down the vermin. The kittens are born in the outbuidings (ours, by the look of it) and grow up (or not) pretty naturally. Which means a low survival rate. We seem to have a new set of cats each time we go out. What I don't understand is that, from the evidence, the cats mostly live on local birdlife, often pigeons, so the benefit to the farmers must be pretty marginal. Regards Dick Smith Nowhere is there warmth to be found Among those afraid of losing their ground    Report

09/05/2008, 16:55 woolybanana'sbrother Joined on 18/01/2008 Posts 1,321 Re: Ragondin Local vet says they would be better put down at birth as they have a real dog's life what with poison, cars, worms and other diseases. Do not try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.    Report

09/05/2008, 19:48 NormanH Joined on 10/04/2008 Posts 179 Re: Ragondin We are in France, so it seems logical to follow French custom and practice in the matter, and not impose British attitudes. For an idea of what our French hosts think, this site is interesting: http://www.peniche.com/Breves/eqte_sep_rag.htm    Report

09/05/2008, 20:52 SaligoBay Joined on 23/08/2004 uncharted outer reaches of Montpellier Agglo Posts 2,951 Re: Ragondin  NormanH wrote: We are in France, so it seems logical to follow French custom and practice in the matter, and not impose British attitudes. You are allowed to bring your brain with you to France.    And what if a French person agrees with your "British" attitude?   Puts you in a bit of a quandary!     NormanH wrote: For an idea of what our French hosts think, Do you live in a B&B?   One may tolerate a world of demons for the sake of an angel.    Report

09/05/2008, 21:22 Christine Animal Joined on 14/05/2005 Deux-Sèvres Posts 4,258 Re: Ragondin Tell me Saligobay, how do you do double quotes?  I don't know how to do that.  When you quote someone just their quote comes out, but how do you get a second one in the same post?  I've seen it done before and often wondered.     animalaidsaintaubin.monsite.orange.fr/ Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful    Report

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