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04/06/2009, 7:29 Cendrillon Joined on 19/10/2007 S.E. England & S.W.France Posts 897 Re: Smoking at Restaurants Gardian wrote: "We're both smokers and make no apology for it. However: No smoking inside a restaurant, that's a given Outside, no smoking in between courses No smoking if adjoining diners are still eating, even if we suspect / know that they're smokers too No smoking till adjoining tables have vacated or have started to smoke (not the tables themselves!">)" If people choose to smoke then for better or worse that is their choice, I just wish they were all as considerate as Gardian. Cendrillon    Report

04/06/2009, 8:36 UlsterRugby1999 Joined on 27/04/2006 Posts 405 Re: Smoking at Restaurants  Clarisworkz wrote:  UlsterRugby1999 wrote: As someone who smoked between 35 and 45 fags a day, I must say that I loathe the filfthy things ... I detest the smell of them, and I now see the awful mentality of SOME smokers who, in a very small minority, complain because we dont want smoke next to near us What's worse than a smoker? ... A reformed smoker. That's just hypocritical of you to say what you said. Did YOU care when you were smoking and people complained about it? I doubt it. Don't forget you also had that awful mentality when you lit up. You just kept puffing away and didn't think about it, and now you have the temerity to whine when someone smokes near you. What a hypocrite! Who is the selfish ONE then........ That would be you. So 10 points for quitting, but minus several million points for condemning those who still smoke. For the record, I smoke, but I also care enough NOT to smoke around people, especially those who are eating. So I don't light up after a meal, even at Al Fresco cafes where it is legal to do so. I always wait until I'm well away from people in general. So some smokers do have a sense of proprietry. I was actually surprised to learn France had enacted the no smoking law in Restaurants, cafes etc. Smoking in a french cafe etc was the norm not so long ago. It was part of the french culture. But things change, and I'm sure many people eating inside can now appreciate their food a lot more.  Jonzjob wrote: You know what they say Ulster? There's nowt worse than a convert!! I actually missed this ... so yes, my post reflects what Jonzjob said ... Perhaps Clarisworkz, you should re-read my post. I clearly state (and in large letters so some people might see it) SOME. I did not say all and nor did I imply it. When I smoked, I never smoked in anyones house EVEN (big letters again for your benefit) if they smoked. I stopped because I didnt want my kids to smoke. What is hypocritical about disliking something and stating it. Especially when I have had the balls to quit which is more than can be said for SOME (big letters again). AS for your question about did I care. No, I suppose must be the response. I dont know that I could answer that any other way. The difference is that I finally did. Many havent and while you are one of those who does consider, you must admit that there are many who dont and believe that its their right to blow smoke into the faces of, or over the meals or drinks of, those who dont.    Report

04/06/2009, 8:38 P2 Joined on 13/09/2006 Surrey & 31 (near Boulogne sur Gesse) Posts 583 Re: Smoking at Restaurants  Clarisworkz wrote:  UlsterRugby1999 wrote: As someone who smoked between 35 and 45 fags a day, I must say that I loathe the filfthy things ... I detest the smell of them, and I now see the awful mentality of SOME smokers who, in a very small minority, complain because we dont want smoke next to near us What's worse than a smoker? ... A reformed smoker. That's just hypocritical of you to say what you said. Did YOU care when you were smoking and people complained about it? I doubt it. Don't forget you also had that awful mentality when you lit up. You just kept puffing away and didn't think about it, and now you have the temerity to whine when someone smokes near you. What a hypocrite! Who is the selfish ONE then........ That would be you. So 10 points for quitting, but minus several million points for condemning those who still smoke. For the record, I smoke, but I also care enough NOT to smoke around people, especially those who are eating. So I don't light up after a meal, even at Al Fresco cafes where it is legal to do so. I always wait until I'm well away from people in general. So some smokers do have a sense of proprietry. I was actually surprised to learn France had enacted the no smoking law in Restaurants, cafes etc. Smoking in a french cafe etc was the norm not so long ago. It was part of the french culture. But things change, and I'm sure many people eating inside can now appreciate their food a lot more.  Jonzjob wrote: You know what they say Ulster? There's nowt worse than a convert!! I actually missed this ... so yes, my post reflects what Jonzjob said ... A little confused. Firstly you call an ex smoker a hypocrite and later you state that things change. Yes, things do change and the change is to not smoking - but it would seem that in your book smokers should not become ex-smokers and if they do they should keep quiet about it.    Report

04/06/2009, 8:49 brianagain Joined on 08/11/2007 I'm on the train... Posts 123 Re: Smoking at Restaurants  Clarisworkz wrote: Smoking in a french cafe etc was the norm not so long ago. It was part of the french culture. I still remember a quote many years ago on a tv travel programme about Normandy by the late Pete McCarthy. "They should have a fag on the flag" Otherwise I echo Cendrillon's comment about Gardian - if only all smokers were so considerate. Brian (again)    Report

04/06/2009, 11:06 Clarisworkz Joined on 10/05/2009 Perth, Western Australia Posts 8 Re: Smoking at Restaurants  P2 wrote: A little confused. Firstly you call an ex smoker a hypocrite and later you state that things change. I did state that things change, but I wasn't referring to people who give up smoking. I meant the french culture of smoking. The change was forced on them, like it was on us here in Australia.  Sure people change too, whether it be quitting the smokes or giving up booze. but it would seem that in your book smokers should not become ex-smokers and if they do they should keep quiet about it This might be just my way of thinking, but if I did quit (which I will eventually) smoking, it would be for my benefit, no-one else's. And I certainly wouldn't enforce my views on other smokers because I suddenly am a no-smoker. For me to say to a smoker, "Oh put that disgusting thing out" or condemn them for puffing away is hypocritical. I detest alcohol, it's not my thing. But I don't put people down because they drink it. Unless they're drink drivers and then I think any sane person would criticise that. So yes, I think reformed smokers should be happy they quit and just get on with living.  UlsterRugby1999 wrote: What is hypocritical about disliking something and stating it Absolutely nothing wrong with disliking something and saying so. It was the way you said it. You implied that because you have stopped smoking, that everyone should damn well do it or be condemned for it, and you must admit that's exactly what it reads as. But it is your opinion. You have the right to state it, even if others including myself, think it's hypocritical. you must admit that there are many who dont and believe that its their right to blow smoke into the faces of, or over the meals or drinks of, those who dont I do admit there are people like that. I come across them here in Perth all the time. It's why I don't do it to people. I do have that consideration. But yes, ignorant smokers do exist, and yes, it isn't very nice. I've had smoke blown over me whilst eating outside al fresco. I didn't like it, so I moved to another table. Now I dislike those people, not for being smokers, but for being ignorant. But this argument can go on forever, you know like Ford vs GM, or Intel vs AMD, or smokers vs non-smokers , so I think the original topic was "Is it legal to smoke outside a cafe in France" ... The answer is Yes. For now.     Time flies like an arrow ... Fruit flies like a Banana ... Le temps file comme une flèche … mouches à fruit comme une banane - G.Marx    Report

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