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15/05/2008, 6:04 yvonne Joined on 31/07/2007 lincolnshire Posts 23 Re: What Dog? ooops - perhaps I should have said 'female' instead - not swearing honestly !!     Yvonne    Report

15/05/2008, 14:49 Kristine Joined on 19/02/2005 Posts 20 Re: What Dog? Hi Christine , I realised that the staffordshire bull terrier had been taken off the catergory two list meaning that staffies do not now require a licence , but does that not apply to non- pedigree staffies as well ? By the way , I would class a non -pedigree staffie as a pure bred staffordshire bull terrier , but without papers . If it's not pure bred then whether or not it looks like a staffie , it's really a mongrel , not that I have anything at all against mongrel dogs before anyone thinks otherwise ! Sorry about your neighbours lurcher Jo , cannot comment on it as I don't know the circumstances behind the attack and kill . Was it a staffordshire bull terrier , or an "irish staffordshire bull terrier " ie pitbull .          Report

15/05/2008, 15:09 Christine Animal Joined on 14/05/2005 Deux-Sèvres Posts 4,322 Re: What Dog?  Kristine wrote:  I would class a non -pedigree staffie as a pure bred staffordshire bull terrier, but without papers.   Kristine, you may class it what you like, but how are you going to prove it if they say it has the morphology of a Pit Bull? Please see the other threads on here concerning Staffies and where innocent dogs have been put down simply because of their morphology.  In the future they may not be put down as the law seems to be changing, but there will be strict rules on keeping them.   animalaidsaintaubin.monsite.orange.fr/ Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful    Report

15/05/2008, 15:16 Jo Joined on 06/08/2006 86, Vienne. Posts 248 Re: What Dog? Sorry about your neighbours lurcher Jo , cannot comment on it as I don't know the circumstances behind the attack and kill . Was it a staffordshire bull terrier , or an "irish staffordshire bull terrier " ie pitbull .   It was a staffie, and the dog it killed was her father's lurcher, but it speaks volumes to say she didn't have him put down as she "didn't know who had started it". Love all, trust a few, do harm to no-one.    Report

15/05/2008, 15:26 Christine Animal Joined on 14/05/2005 Deux-Sèvres Posts 4,322 Re: What Dog? That's very, very sad Jo.     animalaidsaintaubin.monsite.orange.fr/ Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful    Report

16/05/2008, 16:16 Kristine Joined on 19/02/2005 Posts 20 Re: What Dog? I was living in France when the law was first implemented and it appeared that "staffordshire terriers " concerned "staffordshire bull terriers . Thankfully ,  due to a lot of hard work from the french and english S.B.T. clubs this was resinded . I understood perhaps wrongly that because of that , staffies are now treated , by law , in the same manner as all the other breeds of dog not classified in either catergory .I did'nt think that they were still going to come under some restrictions .      Report

16/05/2008, 18:03 Christine Animal Joined on 14/05/2005 Deux-Sèvres Posts 4,322 Re: What Dog? I am no specialist and I thought the same as you Kristine.  I first found out that Staffordshire Bull Terriers were not on the list, fine.  Then the questions popped up about Staffie crosses and ended up with Staffies without a pedigree as there is no way of proving what either of them are.  When I tried to save lovely little Lily at Niort  mentioned under this thread http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/1107613/ShowPost.aspx several of us thought she could be a Staffie cross.  But the final decision fell when a judge was called in and said she had the morphology of a Pit Bull, a Pit Bull not being a breed but a morphology.  The sweetest little dog you could have met, Lily was put down.  Even the vet hated doing it.  I think of her nearly every day since. That is this stupid law where dogs are simply judged on what they look like.  That is why so many people are against it.  A terrible story is the one of poor Kenzo who never hurt a fly, a Boxer cross, taken from his family and put down (under same thread above). Following these queries I had a look last night if there were any sites in English about the "dangerous dogs" in France and came upon this one which has a lot of useful information, though not much in English http://www.against-bsl.eu/index.htm On their page Foire aux Questions, you have the answer to the non-pedigree Staffie "Il y a fort à parier qu'un Staffordshire Bull Terrier non LOF relèverait de la 1ère catégorie étant donné les caractéristiques morphologiques figurant dans l'arrêté du 27 avril 1999." Under their page Pourquoi Soutenir le Collectif I see they have mentioned my Lily. re, il y a fort à parier qu'un chien staffordshire bull terrier non LOF relèverait de la 1ère catégorie étant donnée les caractéristiques morphologiques figurant dans l'arrêté du 27 avril 1999. animalaidsaintaubin.monsite.orange.fr/ Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful    Report

17/05/2008, 13:56 Kristine Joined on 19/02/2005 Posts 20 Re: What Dog? That's really awful Christine about Lilly , and whenever I visit France I always buy several of the specialist staffie , type dog magazines ,and know from the heartbreaking stories in them about various wonderful pets , but of no provable ancestry being taken from their families and killed . I truely thought that with the staffordshire bull terrier having been taken off the list that the same then would apply to staffie crosses or pure staffies with pedigree's but just not registered . After all , if it's not a crime now to be a staffordshire bull terrier , why should it be a crime to look like one ? Breed specific dog laws , whatever the country concerned are just so wrong . At the end of the day I personally would prefer that the law would be that ALL dogs have to be muzzled in public places , then we would all be safe from any potentially dangerous dog , be it ,pitbull or yorkshire terrier , and the dogs would all be safe from each other . I'm going to visit the sites you mentioned , so I wxpect to have a very unhappy hour or so now .    Report

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