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21/05/2008, 8:21 powerdesal Joined on 07/01/2006 ex-Sharjah U.A.E Posts 2,174 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? Maybe its time for this....... http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/case_studies/homebrew_biodiesel.pdf Steve now ex-Sharjah + 50 (in France) ...........................................................................    Report

21/05/2008, 8:32 Pierre ZFP Joined on 12/11/2004 PdC(62)/Luxembourg Posts 1,815 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? In the UK at least there are other invisible markers in the Red diesel.  I knew the customs man on the Road Fuel Testing Unit many years ago.  His 'patch' was roughly the southern half of England.  He showed me how you could take a bucket of Red, pour it through charcoal and get White out.  The testing kit he had easily picked out the other markers though. Not that I think it would do your engine much good after that.  As a routine check he had a plastic bottle and a tube which he used to dip truck tanks for a quick look at the ports etc.  He used to do diesel cars (Mercs and Land Rovers were favourite) at County Fairs and around boating marinas too, anywhere that there was easy access to Red.  Some people can't resist the temptation all though I can understand it especially when the chances of being caught are so remote. Wouldn't do it myself as apart from being just wrong I  know I would be caught first time and I prefer to sleep without worrying about such things. Diesel has shot up to €1.26 in the Grand Duchy but no queues of French vehicles at the filling stations (yet) BTW, did you know that Luxembourg has the 3 largest filling stations in the whole of Europe?  Thousands of trucks divert quite a long way to fill their tanks here, its becoming a bit of a problem causing the motorways to be backed up with trucks waiting to fill up, bit like Operation Stack I suppose. Fool me once, shame on you Fool me twice, shame on me Fool me 3 times and you can see a statistical tendency    Report

21/05/2008, 9:04 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 3,739 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France?  powerdesal wrote: Maybe its time for this....... http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/case_studies/homebrew_biodiesel.pdf Nice idea but I doubt you'll find a chippie these days with a problem getting rid of their old fat, let alone pay you to take it away Actually, if you think it through, bio-diesel has to be the way forward. Demand for oil = higher prices = demand for alternative. Land and crops diverted to the production of bio-fuel = less food. Less food = higher demand = higher prices. Higher prices = more dying from hunger = less people. Less people = less demand. Less demand = lower prices The circle is complete. The obvious answer then is for us all to go out and buy the biggest gas guzzling obscenity we can find to accelerate the process As frivolous as the above is I read somewhere that the population of the world is about 1/3 higher than resources can viably support so perhaps it's not as frivolous as it seems  IMO a great many of worlds woes are down to the fact that we tamper with the laws of nature and of natural selection and do so at our peril. Standing by for the flaming !   My doctor said one drink per day, I can live with that !    Report

21/05/2008, 9:10 Lisleoise Joined on 15/12/2005 Périgord Vert (NW Dordogne) Posts 910 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France?  Ron Avery wrote: So you get red central heating fuel in France then Ernie? Who supplies that then?  ErnieY wrote: My heating oil comes from the local supplier in the village. I don't ask him for red or anything special, I just order a delivery and it turns up. He's the same supplier the previous owners used to use so obviously knows what fuel to bring. Our 'fioul' is also red, delivered from Auchan (fioul ordinaire) for the last five years.  I know it's red because there is a glass 'filter' thingy in between the oil tank and the boiler and I can clearly see it's red.    Report

21/05/2008, 9:16 woolybanana'sbrother Joined on 18/01/2008 Posts 1,321 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? To an extent you are right Ernie. But it is a viewpoint that will get us both flamed I fear. Do not try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.    Report

21/05/2008, 9:20 Iceni Joined on 23/08/2004 Lot 46 Posts 2,991 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? Ernie is 100% correct. His reply would receive top marks if he used less less often and fewer more often. Pedant not   Di For the Complete Virtual Assistant Start Up Package    Report

21/05/2008, 9:24 woolybanana'sbrother Joined on 18/01/2008 Posts 1,321 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? The evidence is that the difference between less and fewer is disappearing Do not try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.    Report

21/05/2008, 9:26 Iceni Joined on 23/08/2004 Lot 46 Posts 2,991 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France?  ErnieY wrote: As frivolous as the above is I read somewhere that the population of the world is about 1/3 higher than resources can viably support so perhaps it's not as frivolous as it seems  IMO a great many of worlds woes are down to the fact that we tamper with the laws of nature and of natural selection and do so at our peril. The quick and easy way being to obliterate China and India. That would seem to be more efficient that selecting the third person eveywhere - though if we kept doing that we would eventually get down to just 2 people. Maybe that's how the Adam and Eve thing began in the first place ? John   Di For the Complete Virtual Assistant Start Up Package    Report

21/05/2008, 9:46 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 3,739 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France?  woolybananasbrother wrote: The evidence is that the difference between less and fewer is disappearing Becoming lesser you might say Gotta run, got a paraffin budgie to catch, freedom beckons   My doctor said one drink per day, I can live with that !    Report

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