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22/04/2008, 8:22 Bugbear Joined on 15/11/2006 Vienne (86) Posts 3,686 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  NormanH wrote: As it is British people in France have their  (more expensive) French health care paid for by the UK on the E121; not very fair on those who stay in the UK and have to accept the NHS, but have paid the same contributions during their working lives. Since when has 'fairness' ever been brought into the equation.................. "Life is Short - Forgive Quickly - Love Truly - Laugh Uncontrollably"    Report

22/04/2008, 9:44 Sunday Driver Joined on 07/10/2005 Deux Sevres (79) Posts 2,883 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  NormanH wrote: As it is British people in France have their  (more expensive) French health care paid for by the UK on the E121; not very fair on those who stay in the UK and have to accept the NHS, but have paid the same contributions during their working lives. How is it unfair on those who stay in the UK?  Retired British people in France with an E121 are liable for 30% of their treatment costs like anyone else here.  A UK resident pensioner gets his/her NHS treatment for free.   Waddya mean it's only Saturday......    Report

22/04/2008, 9:49 woolybanana'sbrother Joined on 18/01/2008 Posts 1,321 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? Early retired French pensioners continue to pay full social charges I think (am I right here?) ,whereas early retired expat pensioners paid a flat rate of 8%. I understand that the French government wanted them to pay the same as the French but it all fell apart so hence the new dispensations. Do not try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.    Report

22/04/2008, 9:57 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,408 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  woolybananasbrother wrote: I understand that the French government wanted them to pay the same as the French but it all fell apart so hence the new dispensations. I had never heard about this, wb's b.  Odd because I think a lot of early retired Brits would have been willing to do this - I did not know that that was ever even suggested.  During the shenanigins over the past few months, many said they'd be willing to pay the full 12% which those in work pay. However, French early retired pensioners, if in CMU B, pay 8% - as do other Europeans in that scheme.  I do not know what early retired French people in work-based schemes pay.  Certainly the employers must continue to cough up now.  Another reason for French companies to keep older people in their workforce, rather than making room for young people who need jobs. What happened to people like railway employees (who officially retired at 55), I do not know. Healthcare Issues Site    Report

22/04/2008, 11:59 NormanH Joined on 10/04/2008 Posts 179 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  cooperlola wrote: However, French early retired pensioners, if in CMU B, pay 8% - as do other Europeans in that scheme.  Why would someone retired from employment be in the CMU? Wouldn't they still be covered by the Régime Génerale ? "Vous dépendez du régime de sécurité sociale dont vous dépendiez avant l'attribution de la retraite ou pension. " http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/.....    Report

22/04/2008, 12:23 NormanH Joined on 10/04/2008 Posts 179 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? SD "Retired British people in France with an E121 are liable for 30% of their treatment costs like anyone else here.   A UK resident pensioner gets his/her NHS treatment for free." I am not sure that the 30% covers the difference between the systems. Perhaps the UK should offer a scheme whereby elderly Brits can get treated as quickly as they are in France just by paying 30% of the cost? In any case it can be paid by taking a 'Mutuelle' the cost of which is subsidised  for retired Brits by younger healthy French people who are paying into it without taking much out. Retired British people in France with an E121 get 100% for serious diseases which count as "affections longue durée"  and most of these are more common in the Pensioners' age group. On reflection the French who have paid all their lives into building up a superior system are subsidising the Brits who haven't contributed to the development of the service, even if they are now contributing now that they need it    Report

22/04/2008, 12:41 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 9,806 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  NormanH wrote: SD "Retired British people in France with an E121 are liable for 30% of their treatment costs like anyone else here.   A UK resident pensioner gets his/her NHS treatment for free." I am not sure that the 30% covers the difference between the systems. Perhaps the UK should offer a scheme whereby elderly Brits can get treated as quickly as they are in France just by paying 30% of the cost? In any case it can be paid by taking a 'Mutuelle' the cost of which is subsidised  for retired Brits by younger healthy French people who are paying into it without taking much out. Retired British people in France with an E121 get 100% for serious diseases which count as "affections longue durée"  and most of these are more common in the Pensioners' age group. On reflection the French who have paid all their lives into building up a superior system are subsidising the Brits who haven't contributed to the development of the service, even if they are now contributing now that they need it In this system the young will always be paying for the old, thats how it works, also I guess many Brits could resent the French working in the UK  (and there are more French in the UK than there are Brits in France) who get full health cover after they start paying, so a person with less than a years contribution could be getting the same benefit as some one who has paid in for 50 years.... You can see problems with every system if you really want to. www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

04/05/2008, 15:26 Rob Roy Joined on 11/03/2006 19 - Correze Posts 663 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? Rich1972 wrote: "I'm completely in support of the 'free at the point of use' ideology"   .........."As I said in my first post, I was planning on having a year off to fix my house up before working (I haven't got two-years NI contributions as I've been studying and have only worked for the last 12 months so I'll have to get full cover) but no problems are insurmountable!" You also stated in the other post that you are now 36 - never mind non-British EU residents, what about a few years contributions from yourself?    Report

04/05/2008, 21:46 You can call me Betty Joined on 23/08/2004 Beaver-Free Zone Posts 963 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  Rich1972 wrote: I can't help but think that this move is specifically designed to target British ex-patriots though.     One of the more amusing and telling typos I've seen on here in the recent past................................. In the year 2159 If man is still alive If woman can survive, they may find................    Report

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