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 03/05/2008, 19:58
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Rob Roy
 
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I'm sorry but I think this is getting a bit out of hand.
Tegwini - you couldn't watch Christine's videos, so how do you know what was in them.. You also said Cassis's clips showed animals teasing other animals - sorry, but I must have missed that bit, where was it?
Re Christine's videos, since when did we eat monkeys, elephants and various other animals shown in the clips? If people want to make a point about animal cruelty (and I have no arguement with that) then at least make it relevant.
"It was a re-run of the worst case of immature schoolboy bullying, in the hands of licensed killers - and that was all you could describe them as. They made Josef Mengele look like a respectable research scientist. It wasn't the slaughter that was offensive, it was the behaviour of 'civilised' man that was contemptible"
Lou, I find it incredible that you could compare the practices in an abattoir (however dreadful you think it) to the horrific treatment of human beings at the hands of the ***.
I love my animals and look after them the best I can, but I have no qualms about eating meat - if fact I enjoy it. I support good farming practice, and humane methods of animal rearing, but there is a ridiculous tendancy to give animals human emotions. They are not humans, they are animals - just watch the way a cat will play with a mouse before it dies, or a killer whale will toss a seal around before eating it, or a dog will shake a rat. Nature can be the cruellest thing on earth.
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04/05/2008, 17:58
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Christine Animal
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Centenarian Tips for a Long Life
"Diet: The Cornerstone of Longevity
It is no surprise that diet is an essential factor to health and longevity. So what should you be eating? In my studies, I found that the centenarians of two reputed "longevity capitals" - Okinawa, Japan, and Rugao County, a rural community four hours north of Shanghai - shared a nearly identical diet.
These long-lifers eat mostly fish, vegetables, mushrooms, seaweed, corn, and buckwheat - and virtually no meat. Scientists have confirmed the health benefits of a diet high in fish and vegetables and low in animal products. These centenarians are living examples, as they suffer from very little heart and liver disease and have negligible rates of cancer and degenerative diseases."
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04/05/2008, 19:37
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Gengulphus
Joined on 30/01/2008
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 Christine Animal wrote: | Centenarian Tips for a Long Life These long-lifers eat mostly fish, vegetables, mushrooms, seaweed, corn, and buckwheat - and virtually no meat. Scientists have confirmed the health benefits of a diet high in fish and vegetables and low in animal products. These centenarians are living examples, as they suffer from very little heart and liver disease and have negligible rates of cancer and degenerative diseases."
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How fortunate that in France we have the much more instructive and relevant example of Jeanne Calment, who verifiably outlived these comparative youngsters from the east, and who ate and drank with gusto. It must be admitted, of course, that her giving up smoking at the age of 118 must have made a great difference to her life-span.
It's good, provided it lasts…
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04/05/2008, 21:06
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LouFlat
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I'm sorry but I think this is getting a bit out of hand.
"It was a re-run of the worst case of immature schoolboy bullying, in the hands of licensed killers - and that was all you could describe them as. They made Josef Mengele look like a respectable research scientist. It wasn't the slaughter that was offensive, it was the behaviour of 'civilised' man that was contemptible"
Lou, I find it incredible that you could compare the practices in an abattoir (however dreadful you think it) to the horrific treatment of human beings at the hands of the ***.
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For the record, my father was a major contractor (technical) to several abbatoirs in what was my local area. I have witnessed the varying practices involved in converting cutesie farm animals into tomorrow's evening meal. There was and still is, an enormous disparity between the professionally and / or humanely operated slaughter houses and those run at, perhaps, a more reduced cost, or without adequate controls and supervision.
Josef Mengele was, arguably, if not misguidedly (and utterly wrongly, in my humble opinion), genuinely interested in "what happens if..." . Let us pray that the actions of the so-called 'Master Race' are never repeated.
The individuals I wrote of were, quite simply, interested in their own entertainment. It wasn't the killing of the animals, it was the goading, torment and inane torture, totally unecessary and extraneous. Most offensive was their very obvious delight in their actions.
As I wrote previously, I am a meat-eater. I just prefer to do the best that I possibly can to ensure that my chosen meal has had as dignified a life and death as possible.
We are all entitled to our opinions and those which do not match our own are not, necessarily, the incorrect ones.
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07/05/2008, 23:26
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tegwini
Joined on 19/09/2007
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Rob Roy
If you take the trouble to read my post you will realise I said that I could watch only part of Christine's link.
And, Cassis's link showed cows in a field with some silly humans - or whatever you chose to call them, teasing the cows. This made the humans look like fools - not the cows. Your comment about eating monkeys etc I don't get that. Not mentioned by me. An irrelevant comment I believe.
Also, I am entitled to my opinion & to choose what I eat. As a historian I have no illusions about man's potential for cruelty & ability to rationalise this cruelty.
tegwini
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09/05/2008, 20:28
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Rob Roy
Joined on 11/03/2006
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Lou wrote:
"Josef Mengele was, arguably, if not misguidedly (and utterly wrongly, in my humble opinion), genuinely interested in "what happens if..." . Let us pray that the actions of the so-called 'Master Race' are never repeated."
"Arguably, if not misguidedly .... genuinely interested in ...." - oh well, that's alright then if he was genuinely interested. I'm pleased to see that in your 'humble opinion' he was wrong, and I still find it offensive that you equate his, and others, actions on human beings the same as what happens in the abattoirs you have heard about.
Tegwini wrote:
"And, Cassis's link showed cows in a field with some silly humans - or whatever you chose to call them, teasing the cows"
I have just re-looked at Cassis's clips and still can't see to what you are referring.
"Your comment about eating monkeys etc I don't get that. Not mentioned by me. An irrelevant comment I believe."
Not irrelevant at all, and not mentioned by yourself - but the clip originally referred to by Christine did show clips of monkeys and elephants while purporting to be explaining why the man became, and wants everyone else to become, a vegetarian/vegan.
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10/05/2008, 8:22
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tegwini
Joined on 19/09/2007
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