Joined on 22/09/2004
Sussex & 50 (Mortainais)
Posts 6,077
Re: Use of a French Registered car in the UK?
May not be erroneous. I remember something somebody wrote to Honest John in the Telegraph about a year ago:
"Regarding the
matter of a UK resident driving a foreign registered car, previously
deemed illegal by the DVLA, I received last week a letter from DVLA.
Amongst other comments the letter states that 'In the circumstances
where a UK resident is using an EU registered vehicle in the UK on a
temporary basis, on a visit from their holiday home, for example, they
are entitled to use the vehicle when visiting the UK."
Allegedly the DVLA web site was going to be updated to that effect, but I can't find it if it has. The actual article seems to have gone from the Telegraph website, in company with much of HJ's other archive material, but the above is a second-hand copy from another discussion.
There was some pedantic discussion at that other place about how could a 'resident' be 'visiting' but allowing for the possibly unfortunate choice of words it could apply to a lot of people, myself included. We keep two cars, one UK-registered and one French-registered, so we should be able to cover all eventualities, but I am sure some clever s0d could deem us to be illegal in some way or another.
Actually that is exactly my situation regarding visits to the UK.
Not that I have ever let it bother me and as I dont have a tendancy to be agressive towards les flics or the old bill I shall continue to be insouciant despite what legal experts write on forums.
Visitors to the UK can usually use a vehicle displaying foreign numberplates for six months provided all motoring taxes are paid in the originating country. This can consist of one single or several shorter visits in any 12 month period.
European Union vehicles
EU vehicles brought into the UK can be used for six months in any 12-month period. You do not need to register the vehicle in the UK as long as you can show that the vehicle complies with the registration and tax requirements of its home country. It’s the responsibility of the driver to prove how long the vehicle has been in the country. Producing ferry tickets can do this.
If the keeper of the vehicle becomes resident in the UK, the vehicle must be immediately registered and taxed in the UK.
UK residents are not allowed to use a foreign registered vehicle on UK roads. The exception is when a UK resident:
is employed or self-employed in another EU member state
uses a EU registered company car temporarily in the UK for business purposes
So, other than clarifying the 'business use' exemption, there's no change really......
hi the trouble is its difficult to prove where you are resident. You can be tax resident in more than one state at the same time. What docs do you french resident x-pats carry on you when you drive to the uk? In practice I've not had a problem, if asked I would say I'm french resident.
Most police forces are perfectly OK with visitors, and even seem pretty lenient about long-term use of foreign registered vehicles. Since the incident mentioned by Cooperlola I've been watching a few foreign vehicles; a German neighbour has now registered her car, but there have been a Polish (I think) minibus and a French Mercedes in constant use here in a certain town in West Sussex for at least four years; both are kept at very expensive houses so it's not a matter of being impecunious expats returning.
In some other counties, notably Northamptonshire, you can fall foul of the 'six month rule' in that if a foreign vehicle is noted twice by police, more than six months apart, you are deemed to be in breach of the law, regardless of whether or not you are foreign resident, or dual resident, and can prove you have returned 'home' in the meantime. If you doubt this, look up 'Operation Andover'.
Thanks for the info - I visit The Rose of the Stalinistic Shires and have been known to accidently trigger the odd stealth tax camera each visit.
The blue coated early retiree easy work picking on middleclass stealth tax website doesn't quite say it as you have but it would be best to keep a low profile in Norfhamtunshire.
Joined on 05/12/2006
Mer du Nord/W of Cahors (46)
Posts 7,394
Re: Use of a French Registered car in the UK?
I agree that residential status may not be immediately demonstrable to UK plods satisfaction but on the day the onus would be squarely on the driver to prove any claims but I really don't know what document or documents, if any, might be deemed conclusive to that end. I'll wager that the average woodentop will possess next to zero knowledge of the niceties and nuances of French residency, even those of us who live here and therefore hopefully should have a reasonable idea still constantly bicker over it
I could imagine being in possession of a UK driving licence bearing the address of a retained UK property or one of convenience might present a significant hurdle in convincing someone that you are not UK resident so on that premis I'd say that a French licence might be useful starter for 10
When everybody is saying the same thing it's usually time to ask if they know what they are saying.
hi I know ex-pats resident in france who still retain uk property and of course we are told that there is no compulsion in changing a uk licence. So have you ex-pats resident in france driving your french reged vehicles to the uk had difficulty being able to prove to a suspicious pc where they are resident?
Bugsy your accent may be good but your uk passport might give you away. Is it not domicle that you have to prove not residency. The more you consider these issues the more you realise its a minefield. Duckers and divers rule ok. Is ron about to pounce and take me to task, he doesn't like any mention of duckers and divers.