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22/10/2007, 16:53 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,545 Re: health care Ain't that the truth, Ian. On the subject of the 5 year rule: Can you help us ?   Are you   ·                     A British National resident in France ? ·                     Have you officially lived in France in excess of 5 years ? ·                     Are you classes as an 'inactif '? ·                     Have you received a letter stating that you and / or your family will no longer be entitled to health care via the CMU after March 2008 ?     If ALL of the above applies to you, could you please scan the letter (omitting any personal information) and email it us as an attachment ?     Once we know the exact reasons why your cover has been withdrawn, we can offer some guidance as to your next steps. mail@frenchhealthissues.eu   Healthcare Issues Site    Report

22/10/2007, 16:55 Will Joined on 22/09/2004 Sussex & 50 (Mortainais) Posts 5,169 Re: health care The British health system is based solely on residence. If you cease to be a resident, you give up rights to free health treatment, though as long as you qualify for an E form you can get healthcare in another European state. Entitlement to the E121, covering those of state retirement age (plus some on invalidity benefits), is fairly clear-cut, but Britain is one of the few states that gives E106 forms to non-active people, so I am afraid the two years E106 cover is a bit of a bonus that you would not get if you were, for instance, German or Irish, and it is unlikely you could get this extended. The French system is based on assurance rather than residence. So even though you may have lived in France for over five years, which under EU guidelines qualifies you as a resident, you may still need to take out your own health assurance. However, this is one of the points that has still to be clarified by France or the EU. Sorry if you do not like my answer, but that is how the law appears to stand at present. Will intentionally blank signature http://www.vienormande.com    Report

22/10/2007, 17:43 Sunday Driver Joined on 07/10/2005 Deux Sevres (79) Posts 3,250 Re: health care In order to retain your CMU cover if you have five years residency, or to re-affilate once you've got the requisite 'time in', you need to provide evidence to your CPAM that you qualify to do so. The CPAMs operate under their own internal rules which are derived from French national legislation - and it's this legislation which sets out the procedure you need to follow: According to the official assurance maladie website (ameli.fr) persons in stable residence in France may affilliate to CMU de base except for those in certain situations, one of which is foreign nationals being in possession of a titre de sejour 'retraite'. This is in line with the new French regulations on 'inactifs' having to provide their own private insurance cover. However, according to the official service-public website (sejour en France des citoyenns européen 'non-actif), once you have been resident in France for at least five years, you acquire a permanent right of residency with no further need to provide resource justification.  You may then apply for a titre de sejour 'sejour permanent - toutes activités professionelles' which is valid for twenty years.  Once you have obtained this new TdS, you can provide it to your CPAM as proof of your new residency status which no longer falls within the above category for exclusion from affiliation to CMU.   Waddya mean it's only Saturday......    Report

22/10/2007, 17:55 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,545 Re: health care SD, this is precisely the way I read it.  (Why I suggested to the o/p that he go down the t de s route).  Succinct as per, SD. (Have you learnt how to knit yet?) Healthcare Issues Site    Report

22/10/2007, 18:11 Aube Joined on 13/07/2006 Posts 7 Re: health care I also received a letter today saying that I am covered until  March 2008.  I am very surprised, as I have been living in France since 1997.  I do have a titre de sejour which shows what date I arrived in France, and sent a copy to CPAM in Vienne, but unfortunately they didn't seem to take any notice of the 5 years residence.    Report

22/10/2007, 18:19 Tony F Dordogne Joined on 10/04/2005 Small village in the Dordogne, near St Cyprien Posts 1,517 Re: health care I've been wondering whether the French may be reading the 5 year residency rule in the same way that they do for getting a French passport.  I know what the general interpretation of the 5 years rule is, you live here for 5 years and you therefore qualify for CMU but what if the French see it a different way, after all, the British government see a lot of EU law in a differemnt way to other countries and the 'red lines' make sure they can continue to do so - does France have a 'red line' on this? It will be interesting to see whether people who have obtained citizenship - who by definition must have been here for 5 years - get treated any different to those who have 'only' lived here for 5 years without taking citizenship. Tony F Dordogne (24) Huguenot Trails    Report

22/10/2007, 19:15 Sunday Driver Joined on 07/10/2005 Deux Sevres (79) Posts 3,250 Re: health care  Aube wrote: I also received a letter today saying that I am covered until  March 2008.  I am very surprised, as I have been living in France since 1997.  I do have a titre de sejour which shows what date I arrived in France, and sent a copy to CPAM in Vienne, but unfortunately they didn't seem to take any notice of the 5 years residence. The key question is what does your TdS say?  If it says 'retraite' or 'non-active' then under their new procedures, your CPAM are correct to reject it and you'll need to apply for a different one. You now have the opportunity to be a guinea pig for the cause......     Waddya mean it's only Saturday......    Report

22/10/2007, 19:24 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,545 Re: health care The rub is that the residency rules, although outlined on the government's site, are not yet finalised, nor the documentation agreed. "L'obligation d'enregistrement en mairie des citoyens de l'Union européenne, d'un autre Etat partie à l'accord sur l'Espace économique européen et suisses s'applique aux seules personnes entrées en France après l'entrée en vigueur d'un arrêté qui doit fixer le modèle de l'attestation d'enregistrement délivrée.  Cet arrêté, conjoint des ministres de l'intérieur et des affaires sociales, n'a pas encore été publié.  Nos fiches l'intégreront dès sa parution. " My italics.  This could explain some of the problems? And yes, "the cause" needs guinea pigs! Healthcare Issues Site    Report

22/10/2007, 19:33 Sunday Driver Joined on 07/10/2005 Deux Sevres (79) Posts 3,250 Re: health care That particular registration rule is the one which applies to new immigrants.  The situation for existing residents hasn't changed.   Waddya mean it's only Saturday......    Report

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