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21/06/2009, 17:58 parsnips Joined on 28/08/2008 Posts 433 True number of french public employees  Hi,       Some time ago there was a thread about the numbers of public employees in France and the UK, in which I was advised to do some more research. Trying to find reliable figures for France has taken so long, I cannot trace the original thread, so I've started this.      I eventually found a very thorough report by IFRAP which takes into account all the public , and quasi-public employees, many of which are routinely omitted from the official statistics in order to hide the true costs to the taxpayer.     I tried to reproduce the full report, but failed (due to my inadequate computer skills); the full report is at htpp://www.ifrap.org/Les-effectifs-de -la- Fonction-Publique-n-ont-cesse-d-augmenter......      The figures are for 1998--- the most recent I could find!    To summarise; IFRAP lists the published total of public employees which ,in that year was for Ministeres civils, defense,EPN,regions,departements,communes,etc.(FPT),Hopitaux(FPH)......................4 887 430       They then add in the "lost" employees ,who may not be "fonctionnaires" as such ,but are paid out of public funds (ie Taxes)   Enseignants de privé sous contrat,Entreprise publique à monopoles(like La Poste), CCI,CRCI, chambres d'agriculture, chambres des métiers,Hopitaux privés participants au service public,CES,CEC,Emplois jeunes.......1 352 784 Grand Total.....................................6 240 214 This was in 1998, does anyone beleive that it is not a great deal higher now?    Report

21/06/2009, 18:31 John Martin BRADLEY Joined on 30/04/2008 Cape Town Posts 150 Re: True number of french public employees What is this compared to the total working population and how does this compare to the UK I wonder? JM JohnBradleyPhotography.com Dog Bless You.    Report

21/06/2009, 18:41 Dog Joined on 24/08/2004 Lost in France Posts 2,349 Re: True number of french public employees Both countries have too many civil servants. But I love your strap line... Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.    Report

21/06/2009, 19:04 John Martin BRADLEY Joined on 30/04/2008 Cape Town Posts 150 Re: True number of french public employees Thank you Dog. For the USA it appears to be as follows: The current ratio is 22 million government employed / 136 million total employed  = 16.2%. The federal government employs about 2.7 million people. State governments employ about 5 million people. Local governments employ about 14 million people. According to Moneyweek in 2005, the UK had some 75% of the working population in employment  - more than any other developed country (63% in France). The UK had some 6.6m employed in the public sector, currently some 40% of the working population assuming a rate 22.4 % in 1998 and a 2% rise each year since then. The private sector in the UK now supports an unprecedented number of workers who are paid from taxes.  Every three private sector workers pay for two public sector workers.  Surely this is not sustainable. So glad I sold my small business in the UK - the tax and administrative burden did not warrant all the risk, hard work and diminishing return.  I despair ... JM JohnBradleyPhotography.com Dog Bless You.    Report

21/06/2009, 19:14 Clair Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator based in the Lot (46) Posts 11,293 Re: True number of french public employees http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/economie/social/0,,3901806,00-nombre-fonctionnaires-hausse-.html Clair Real Virtual French Person    Report

21/06/2009, 20:18 John Martin BRADLEY Joined on 30/04/2008 Cape Town Posts 150 Re: True number of french public employees Claire, the notion that France employs fewer people in government than GB just doesn't sit comfortably with me. JM JohnBradleyPhotography.com Dog Bless You.    Report

21/06/2009, 20:19 Cathy Joined on 07/03/2006 Posts 2,716 Re: True number of french public employees Does anyone have a copy of Boris Johnson's book, 'Dream of Rome'?  I remember that, in it, he details the number of bureaucrats in the Roman empire compared to the number in the European Union.  I've been trying to search for the numbers on the internet to share with you but can't find them. Cathy ----- Your children won't remember you ironing their pyjamas but they will remember you reading them a bedside story.    Report

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