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22/10/2007, 13:41 bill k Joined on 09/10/2007 Posts 10 health care just to let you all know out there i have today received my letter to say i have no health cover from march 2008. i have been resident in france since june 2000 so obviously the 5 year rule does not apply. has anybody else had a letter?        Report

22/10/2007, 13:52 Cat Joined on 21/01/2005 ------- Forum Moderator ------- Lot Posts 3,482 Re: health care That's interesting Bill.  Is there anything in the letter that allows you to contest the decision?  When you say that you have been resident in France since 2000, and that you will still be excluded from healthcare (despite the apparent 5 year rule) do you have French tax returns going back to 2000 to prove residency? Cathy Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.    Report

22/10/2007, 14:09 tj Joined on 23/08/2004 Charente Maritime Posts 400 Re: health care  bill k wrote: just to let you all know out there i have today received my letter to say i have no health cover from march 2008. Am curious about one thing, since the french decided all those of pre state retirement age can no longer receive health cover unless they are working and paying cotisations, does that mean the ball is now in the UK court so to speak? I mean does not the British system have an obligation to pay for you? And I would suggest the UK government adopt the same attitude, although I'm sure they wont since everything now must be "PC".  Just confirms the opinion that all this political correctness, is infact as many agree, the dissassembly of our nation and heritage, in some mistaken beleif that a more liberal and multicultural compost heap is preferable, but for whom I wonder? certainly not the rightful heirs to their country.    www.renovatingfrance.com Life is what "you" make it, don't let "it" make you!    Report

22/10/2007, 14:17 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,440 Re: health care The fact that the National Health Service is available free to all UK residents, dates back to the principals of its foundation.  Nothing modern or "PC" about it. However, I agree we need to lobby the British government about this, as well as the EU.  Leave no stone unturned. Healthcare Issues Site    Report

22/10/2007, 14:24 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,440 Re: health care  bill k wrote: just to let you all know out there i have today received my letter to say i have no health cover from march 2008. i have been resident in france since june 2000 so obviously the 5 year rule does not apply. has anybody else had a letter? Bill, the 5 year rule is EU legislation.  I'll try to find the relevant stuff for you shortly but it's been a busy day!  Meanwhile, begin the process of applying for a titre de sejour - details HERE - as this should prove the key for remaining in the CMU. Please e-mail our website mail@frenchhealthissues.eu if you have the time, and we'll keep you in touch when we have more movement on this.  Thanks. Healthcare Issues Site    Report

22/10/2007, 15:36 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 10,143 Re: health care tj - FWIW I think the Uk will be reluctant to increase its responsibility (although I would love to be wrong) I know (or think) that under the reciprocal agreement the Uk gives France a set allowance for each resident with an E form. The situation in the UK is that some treatments are being discontinued on the grounds of cost, for example some osteoporosis drugs and some cancer drugs are no longer available on the NHS. I suspect they are available in France which may lead to accusations that those living in France and in some cases no longer contributing to the UK system have access to more/better treatment than those who are still contributing in the UK. Rightly or wrongly I can't see it being politically expedient to change the length of time an E106 lasts. Sorry. Perhaps I'm wrong........ www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

22/10/2007, 15:51 Puzzled Joined on 05/10/2006 Posts 578 Re: health care The Directive states at Article 16 Union citizens who have resided legally for a continuous period of five years in the host Member State shall have the right of permanent residence there. This right shall not be subject to the conditions provided for in Chapter III.      Report

22/10/2007, 16:43 Deimos Joined on 15/11/2005 France Posts 2,731 Re: health care  Puzzled wrote: The Directive states at Article 16 Union citizens who have resided legally for a continuous period of five years in the host Member State shall have the right of permanent residence there. This right shall not be subject to the conditions provided for in Chapter III.   The thing that needs clarification on this is how the right of Permanent Residence gives you the right to join the CMU. I'm sure I saw somewhere that once a Permanent Resident you have the same rights in all respects as a French citizen - but a) this needs to be found in an EU document that people can present to CPAM when claiming this right and b) some documentation (French) stating that French citizens in the same circumstances (i.e. inactif) have the right to join the CMU. I think that official EU documents with reference numbers (and in French) would be needed to be acceptable to any French body.  Letters (in English) from somebody explaining what they think probably wont count for much. Also, what are the British Embassy doing through all this. I sort of expected they would stay "on-top" of something like this. After all, it is the rights of British citizens in France at issue. However, they seem to just accept what the French tell them, nothing to back it up and when it turns out the French have "changed their minds" (predictable ?) they just go along with the next story. They cost enough so I would expect them to actually be doing something and be aware of things before they dribble out only to the various forums. If they cannot do simple stuff like that then what are they good for ?  I would have expected them to be able to sort out this 5 year rule and its implications for inactifs and the CMU in a few minutes (literally).  Maybe time for them to "pull their fingers out a bit". Ian Copyright Deimos. All rights reserved    Report

22/10/2007, 16:52 Puzzled Joined on 05/10/2006 Posts 578 Re: health care  Puzzled wrote: The Directive states at Article 16 Union citizens who have resided legally for a continuous period of five years in the host Member State shall have the right of permanent residence there. This right shall not be subject to the conditions provided for in Chapter III.   The requirement for to have your own comprehensive sickness insurance is found in chapter III. It doesn't mention the CMU by name anywhere but being a Europe wide rather than French specific document, it wouldn't.  I agree it does need clarifying but it implies to me, that after 5 years residents are put on an equal footing with nationals of whatever state. Ergo, as long as French inactives can have cover, so should any other european inactive in France.    Report

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