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   04/04/2008, 12:23
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 Boiling a frog wrote:

What you are saying is that it is OK to have an independant assessment of your ability to work,the precise details of which you may or may not disagree with and if found to be able to work one will be taken off IB

EXCEPT.

 

If in receipt of IB in France: because if taken off IB one will lose the right to an E121,will have to find a job in order to continue with health care ,or leave France.

 

I can just imagine the outcry if this suggestion was ever mentioned in the UK

Ok I'll play devils advocate: Why is that the concern of the UK government or tax payer ? Wasn't it your personal decision to move ?

Where do you want to draw the line - are you really saying that people in this position who move now should be supported even though they know the situation?


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   04/04/2008, 12:56
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Can I suggest that you reread my post especially the last line.

I am certainly NOT advocating the exception clause, but pointing out just how ludicrous such a proposal would be  


 

 

 

 


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   04/04/2008, 13:49
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 cooperlola wrote:

Or in any other country, for that matter.

The point being, that even if these people are financially able to support themselves in France without IB, and pay all the healthcare contributions which anybody else pays, they aren't allowed to live here unless they work.  But I can.  Does that sound fair to you?

All countries are entitled to make terms and conditions for residency and to amend them whenever they wish.

If in the EU then they need to comply with the directives but are then free to set their own methods.

The UK has a unique system in that health care is free at the point of treatment ,the only condition being that you are a resident.

Most others have a state/insurance backed scheme.

The French Govt have published the rules and as far as I can see they do not breach  the EU directive ie have comprehensive medical assurance.

I hope that you are not suggesting that the UK Govt continues to fund ex E121 holders health care in France.

The only viable alternative is for the French Govt to allow E121 holders to be allowed to affiliate if their E121 is withdrawn  however I suspect that there will be little if any support from the UK Govt as it is they who are trying to remove the rights for IB by a change in the rules.

I am afraid life is not fair .

I am obliged to pay income tax in the UK but am excluded from the NHS except for emergency treatment despite paying my tax to fund the NHS.

Is that fair?    


 

 

 

 


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   04/04/2008, 14:27
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Having been on the phone all morning, thought I would update you on my findings! Blink [blink]

Firstly, the DLA spokeswoman stated that they knew about the changes, it was still too early to give a definitive answer, as they were still being updated on what the announcement would mean in terms of application.

She recommended that all those affected (either intending to make the move, or having already moved and lost their benefit) should apply immediately in writing, stating their own personal cirumstances, and provide both their own, and partners NI numbers to:

Exportability Team

Room B - 120D (Changed, see below!) 

Room B - 215  (NEW ROOM NUMBER!  EDITED: 17/04/08) 

Warbreck House

Warbreck Hill Road

Blackpool

FY2 0ZA

It would probably be several weeks before you would receive a reply or a decision, but that this would be due to the clarification of the ruling for each individual case.

Also, to state that you would like to enquire whether your own particular case could be granted an E121, and this would also be investigated and addressed.

Some useful numbers if you wish to try and get any further information:

Overseas Incapacity Benefits Office - 0191 218 7644

DLA unit - 01253 856123

Medical Benefits (E forms Team) - 0191 218 1999

Also, this thread is entitled 'DLA some Movement', if I could clarify this benefit for those who don't understand, this is not the same benefit as Incapacity Benefit. They are two totally different benefits. Blink [blink]

DLA is awarded to those people who have been classified as 'Disabled'.

DLA is a non-means tested benefit, which is awarded to disabled people who have special needs, and is not based upon your ability or non-ability to work, and continues to be paid regardless of whether you are in employment or not.

DLA is not under the same review and withdrawal by the Govenment as IB, and disabled people are not being forced to have an assessment to decide if they can work. Both Disabled people and IB claimants have to undergo periodical re-assessment to decide whether their conditions continue to entitle them to their particular benefits.

Prior to the ECJ ruling, DLA was not exportable within the EU, and the recipient was not entitled to an E121, (and still may not be), despite the fact that they could never qualify for PHI. This was/is completely unfair discimination against disabled people, and also breaches their right to free movement within the EU, under EU regulations.

Incapacity Benefit on the other hand has been exportable for some considerable time, and also qualifies the holder to an E121. Incapacity Benefit is awarded to people who are categorised as being 'incapable of work'. This is the benefit which draws such vehement views from some quarters. Claimants on IB 'may' also be entitled to DLA, and vice-versa, but being elligible for one does not automatically qualify you for the other.

EDIT:

'Prior to the ECJ ruling, DLA was not exportable within the EU'

Should also have stated:

'unless you were in receipt of it before 1 June 1992'.

Also, just to clarify (again) - it is only the 'care' component of DLA which can be exported at this point in time.

 


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   09/04/2008, 13:19
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'DirectGov website' has altered the announcement page to include the below, which also provides an email address.

 

If you already live in an EEA state or Switzerland and want to claim a disability benefit from Great Britain

The Department for Work and Pensions is not yet able to make a decision on any new claims made by people living in another EEA state or Switzerland. It will be able to do so after further information on the eligibility conditions has been added to this section. However, you might want to ask the exportability team (contact details below) about making a claim now to make sure that you can be paid from that date if you are entitled.

Contact details

If you think you may be affected by the Court’s decision and are unsure about what to do, if you wish to request a claim form, or if you need any further information, you should contact the Department for Work and Pensions as soon as possible:

  • write to: Exportability Co-ordinator, Room B120D, Pension, Disability and Carers Service , Warbreck House, Warbreck Hill Rd, FY2 0YE

      email: exportability.team@dwp.gsi.gov.uk

If you have already contacted the exportability team about the judgment you do not need to contact them again. Your original enquiry will be dealt with as quickly as possible but this may take several weeks.


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   09/04/2008, 18:30
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Hi all,

I dont know anything about benifits, but I have just read through this posting.

I would like to ask a question, my friend is a pensioner, and so his her husband. In England they claimed 300 pounds a month, this was because she had to care for her husband. When they came here they lost that money, does this thread mean she can now try to claim back that money, or is this something different.

 


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   09/04/2008, 18:55
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I think that that is the carers' allowance, but the best thing is to ask your friend exactly what it was they were getting.  If any portion of the money they got was Disability Living Allowance, then yes, that is what is being referred to here.  In their position, I would at the very least e-mail or phone the contacts given by ebaynut to find out.
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   09/04/2008, 21:47
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Just asked her. They got attendance allowence is that the same. I have told her to phone them, so she is going to, but I think, she will just telephone her local department. Is that the right place for her to phone?
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   09/04/2008, 22:21
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"She will just telephone her local department. Is that the right place for her to phone?"

What do you think?????  Why is this so hard to understand or are you on a wind up?

She lives in France so why is she going to ring her local department?  You have been told where she should phone and/or write to register an interest for receiving DLA if it becomes exportable, if she cannot even be bothered to contact the right people, what is the point of the people here trying to help her?


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   09/04/2008, 22:38
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Wow Ron where did that come from. She is a 70 year old women, I just came across this posting tonight. I didnt want to tell her about it untill I knew all the facts, eg what benifit they used to get ect ect. I did not explain about this as I didnt want to raise her hopes, as they are finding it hard to live without the extra money.

Thats why I was asking the questions. I honestly know nothing about benifits.

Any way I have telephone her, and like I said, She will telephone them tomorrow.  I have just gone over this web site and think I found the number she has to phone.

Not everyone Ron knows their way round all the benifit offices.

So no this is not a wind up.

I dont think my posting warranted this response. I guess I must have done something wrong, but I cannot think of anything that I have done, except ask a question.

 


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