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13/05/2008, 19:36 odile Joined on 09/05/2008 Posts 123 badger baiting in France this coming week-end 17/18th May, there will be a badger baiting contest in Cluny/Bourgogne. Please write to the Maire of Cluny and to the Department d'agriculture et foret/Macon- to express your dismay. They say the badgers will only be dug out then released. To dig out badger, all sorts of tools are used, like tongues, spades, etc, and badgers are often seriouly injured in the process. Releasing them may be more cruel than killing them. Also cubs are still underground and not yet weaned- and the mother will protect them to the death. As badger jaws are designed to lock-in, if it bites a dog or a hunter, the only way to release is to smash their jaw with a spade or axe. Any adult badgers dug out will disappear for days- thus leaving helpless cubs underground to starve or to suffocate, if the digging as left them with a blocked tunnel. The whole process, venerie sous terre, is barbaric and should be banned. If it is allowed, then it should be only allowed between July and November, outside the gestation and lactiation/breeding period. Please pass on - and hurry o nly a few days left. Last year the contest was in Allier - next year it may be near you.    Report

13/05/2008, 22:10 Jonzjob Joined on 23/08/2004 Nr Carcassonne, 11 Posts 2,525 Re: badger baiting in France I was under the impression that this barbaric idiot practice was banned by the EU and if that is the case the gandarms should be informed!   John. The only difference between the men & the boys is the size & the shape & the price of their toys!!    Report

13/05/2008, 22:17 Jacqui Too Joined on 23/08/2004 Shropshire / Dordogne 24 Posts 616 Re: badger baiting in France This is a strange post and I'm not sure what to make of it! Cruelty to any animals is abhorrent and should be stopped. But who is organising this baiting? Do the authorities now about it? Are there laws against it? I can't believe France would allow such pubic cruelty to occur! Is this sort of  'event' under the control of the local Maries? The poster does not say who they are and how they came to know about this 'event' Yes it sounds disgusting what is about to happen, but this post just doesn't feel right! I hope I am wrong! Please post again Jackie At least with a spell-checker I can appear somewhat educated!    Report

13/05/2008, 22:40 Dick Smith Joined on 23/08/2004 Surrey and Manche (Pays Mortainais) Posts 8,731 Re: badger baiting in France Bizarre as it may seem it is happening, and it is a competition for unearthing badgers and foxes. Du 25 au 28 mai 2006 à Saint Bonnet Tronçais dans l'Allier, l'association des amis du rallye "Les Mailleries" organise, avec le soutien de l'Association Des Déterreurs (ADD) et l'association Française des Equipages de Vénerie Sous Terre (AFEVST), un championnat international de déterrage... de blaireaux et renards. Ce concours comptera environ 300 chasseurs accompagnés d'une centaine de chiens de race (fox, teckel, jacks russel). Le but est d'acculer l'animal au fond de son terrier puis de creuser à l'aide de pelles afin d'attraper les bestioles en question avec des pinces. Une fois attrapés, blaireaux et renards sont soit tués (arme à feu, arme blanche, dague de vénerie) soit relâcher à distance du lieu de capture. La prédation et la destruction des récoltes sont les deux raisons invoquées par ceux qui pratiquent ce type de chasse. Pour les 30 associations de protection de la naturequi protègent les mammifères dits "nuisibles" et qui demandent au préfet de ne pas l'autoriser, il s'agit avant tout d'un jeu cruel. Rappelons que dans l'Allier, les effectifs de blaireaux ne sont pas chiffrés précisément et que cet animal est protégé dans plusieurs pays européens. Rappelons que l'animal est en période de reproduction... Rappelons que ce concours va se dérouler en forêt de Tronçais, bientôt classée patrimoine de l'humanité. Moi, j'en connais un qui va se retourner dans sa tombe, (vu que c'est là qu'il habitait... et qu'il réside désormais !): c'est le François Terrasson. Il va se retourner... et venir les secouer par la peau du *** ! Pour le programme détaillé des journées de déterrage et toutes les infos sur cette distraction (aussi raffinée et amusante que la chasse à courre), allez creuser du côté de mammiferes.org ou de Action Nature. A force de creuser le sujet, j'ai aussi déniché un blogueur ou euse (?) qui vit dans le coin et qu'est pas d'accord avec le déterrage ! Au fait, c'est qui le plus blaireau, dans tout ça ? It doesn't look very pleasant on the basis of this report. http://www.missecolo.com/tag/blaireau-Cluny http://bourgogne-franche-comte.france3.fr/info/42469101-fr.php http://www.enviscope.com/14929-blaireau-Cluny-chasse-interdiction.html Whether or not you agree with the culling of badgers, this seems pretty cruel and unnecessary. Regards Dick Smith Nowhere is there warmth to be found Among those afraid of losing their ground    Report

13/05/2008, 22:58 Jacqui Too Joined on 23/08/2004 Shropshire / Dordogne 24 Posts 616 Re: badger baiting in France  Jacqui Too wrote: I hope I am wrong! Well after reading your post Dick I was wrong I thought quite wrongly though that this may have been a perverted way of advertising the event!  I am a country person and live on a farm, I know what sort of damage some wild animals do, I have lived with the damage conflicted on landowners and farmers from Foxes, Badgers, Rabbits and Moles and I see the need for control. But this is not the way!! Jackie At least with a spell-checker I can appear somewhat educated!    Report

14/05/2008, 7:10 Jonzjob Joined on 23/08/2004 Nr Carcassonne, 11 Posts 2,525 Re: badger baiting in France As a mater of interest Jacckie, what damage do badgers doo? John. The only difference between the men & the boys is the size & the shape & the price of their toys!!    Report

14/05/2008, 7:40 Hoddy Joined on 23/08/2004 .....Forum Moderator..... NW Leics/SE Dordogne Posts 2,082 Re: badger baiting in France Like some others here I couldn't believe this was true. Where are the animal rights extremists when they are really needed ? Unfortunately badgers fight very well and will provide just the kind of spectacle that these people enjoy. Try reading Badger by John Clare for a description.   Hoddy    Report

14/05/2008, 8:38 Jacqui Too Joined on 23/08/2004 Shropshire / Dordogne 24 Posts 616 Re: badger baiting in France  Jonzjob wrote: As a mater of interest Jacckie, what damage do badgers doo? JJ Unfortunately badgers carry TB which in some areas is debilitating many dairy farmers herds,  I love badgers and I don't have any on my land and I don't have any cattle either now, but it is a problem for many.   Jackie At least with a spell-checker I can appear somewhat educated!    Report

14/05/2008, 8:45 Dick Smith Joined on 23/08/2004 Surrey and Manche (Pays Mortainais) Posts 8,731 Re: badger baiting in France It seems that farmers will rid themselves of badgers. Visiting some friends in rural Hertfordshire recently I was surprised by the number of dead badgers by the roadside. Not roadkill, but killed by farmers and dumped by the roadside to look like it. Or is that a rural myth? As I understand it there is divided opinion as to whether the badgers spread TB amongst dairy herds or catch it from them. Hence the controversy over badger culling generally. Regards Dick Smith Nowhere is there warmth to be found Among those afraid of losing their ground    Report

14/05/2008, 8:53 Catalpa Joined on 23/08/2004 Southern Manche - 50 Posts 1,455 Re: badger baiting in France  Jonzjob wrote: ... what damage do badgers doo? We lived in a heavily populated (by badgers) area of Wiltshire. There was a nearby wood that had plenty of large setts. When the population grows, badgers like to build themselves satellite sets which may be connected to or are nearby main setts. A farmer local to us used to lose chunks of field to the badgers - he'd be ploughing / spraying / planting - whatever - and the tractor would suddenly sink into a sett. Uusually he'd have to get another tractor to pull the first tractor out and on one occasion he got two tractors stuck in the same sett when a second section collapsed. This made areas of the field close to unusable. There are laws about working close to badger setts (even inadvertently demolished badger setts) and he had to get permission to get earth-moving vehicles in to level the surface out again. The permissions from (I think it was licence from MAFF, pre-DEFRA) took about a year to come through. There are also potential problems for livestock because heavier animals can break legs when subsiding into a sett and of course there can be problems with undermining tracks and even buildings. I'm not going into the badgers and TB debate because I'm sure there's a problem but I'm really not sure there's a definite link. And it should go without saying that I find digging out and baiting abhorrent.    Report

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