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23/07/2007, 9:19 Logan Joined on 23/08/2004 Posts 721 In search of Plantagenet France. Here is an interesting idea. The British are moving to France to re-establish the ancient Plantagenet kingdom of Henry 11. The romantic vision of Britains past within a modern pragmatic French state. It's enough to give the nationalists heart failure. http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_m_z/andreas_whittam_smith/article2793058.ece Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori. (Horace).    Report

23/07/2007, 9:39 Clair Joined on 23/08/2004 ------- Forum Moderator ------- Lot Posts 6,276 Re: In search of Plantagenet France. The paper version of the Le Monde article discussed elsewhere on the forum shows a map of Plantagenet France which support the"re-creation" theme! Clair, a Real Virtual French Person La vérité est si obscurcie en ce temps et le mensonge si établi, qu'à moins d'aimer la vérité, on ne saurait la reconnaître. (Blaise Pascal)    Report

23/07/2007, 11:17 Logan Joined on 23/08/2004 Posts 721 Re: In search of Plantagenet France. To speculate deliciously for a moment during a dreary morning of rain and more rain.  Imagine in the future enough British people moving permanently to Aquitaine and being elected to local office as either Maire or Counsellor and having real political clout. Perhaps an independence from France movement could begin. Union with Britain might then become a political aspiration or even full self governing independence. Linkage with the Basque Nationalists might take place to further pressurise the French government to agree union or separation. An interesting speculative question. Would you as a resident of France rather currently be governed by France or Britain? How different would your lives be under Mr Brown rather than Sarko. In old Plantagenet France the residents and England fought a long campaign to remain part of Henry’s kingdom. France eventually overcame resistance because the English armies ran out of steam and money. Could history repeat itself?   Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori. (Horace).    Report

23/07/2007, 17:18 Thibault Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 160 Re: In search of Plantagenet France. The nation state we know as France today is relatively new (in historical terms).  After all, Nice and Savoy only "joined" in the mid 1860s. The history of the French crown over the years has been to painstakingly acquire all those independent duchies etc one by one to "grow" France.  It has led to some interesting marriage alliances.  For example, Eleanor of Acquitaine was quite a prize for the King of France - what a pity she gave him only daughters and Henry II all those warring sons .  Then there was Anne of Brittany - married off to two Kings of France and again, only daughters.  Both ladies wanted only because of their lands.     Thibault    Report

27/07/2007, 19:03 Jura Joined on 28/11/2005 Posts 715 Re: In search of Plantagenet France. This is of interest to me as my 25th Great Grandfather was Thomas of Brotherton, son of Edward I and Margaret Capet of France. Thomas actually spawned the Dukes of Norfolk.    Report

02/11/2007, 12:48 Renaud Joined on 23/08/2004 Barnes / Mirambeau Posts 590 Re: In search of Plantagenet France. I am not sure that I would wish to live in Aquitaine if it was governed by Gordon Brown. Gus www.relax-in-france.com    Report

03/11/2007, 6:37 Thibault Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 160 Re: In search of Plantagenet France.  Jura wrote: This is of interest to me as my 25th Great Grandfather was Thomas of Brotherton, son of Edward I and Margaret Capet of France. Thomas actually spawned the Dukes of Norfolk.   So....you're a cousin of Mathew Pinset (?sp) then Thibault    Report

30/05/2008, 21:06 chessfou Joined on 15/11/2005 Aveyron Posts 371 Re: In search of Plantagenet France. Plus ça change ... In the 14th century the English royals in Aquitaine and the local inhabitants spoke different languages (French & Occitan) as they still do in the 20th-21st centuries (only now it's English & French). Richard the Lionheart, though, may have been primarily an Oc speaker (he certainly read and wrote in the language).    Report

30/05/2008, 21:56 Hoddy Joined on 23/08/2004 .....Forum Moderator..... NW Leics/SE Dordogne Posts 2,082 Re: In search of Plantagenet France. Plenty of locals around here still speak Occitan. Hoddy    Report

30/05/2008, 22:17 Judith Joined on 01/02/2006 Posts 212 Re: In search of Plantagenet France.  Hoddy wrote: Plenty of locals around here still speak Occitan. Hoddy You can have lessons in Occitan in Narbonne.  Very strong move towards re-introducing the language in this area.  I would be interested in learning, but suspect I'd have even more memory problems with my French vocabulary if I did so. Judith W1 and Aude    Report

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