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03/05/2007, 10:22 Suninfrance Joined on 23/08/2004 Arnac Pompadour, Correze (19) Posts 915 5.5% or 19.6% ? If I am having a trench dug for some pipework to connect my house to the main sewers, what would be the TVA rate and why? Jan Dogs have owners, cats have servants    Report

03/05/2007, 16:03 Nick Trollope Joined on 23/08/2004 Broons, Dept 22 Posts 2,451 Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ? 5.5%. Why? Because that is what it is! Why not 19.6%? Because the building is a residence (or 50% or more is) and you own it or rent it. Is that not the case?   Nick www.aplaceinfrance.com    Report

04/05/2007, 9:04 Suninfrance Joined on 23/08/2004 Arnac Pompadour, Correze (19) Posts 915 Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ? So you are telling me that the TVA should be charged at 5.5%? Is there a difference in the rate of TVA to be charged for work that will remain a permanent fixture (eg. fosse, pipework, extensions, etc) and stuff that can be removed (eg. hand made furniture, wooden shutters). Just asking because I know of someone who charges all his work whether it's permanent or removable at 19.6% which I think is wrong.  It's all very confusing and I would like to know for sure what the rules are, so next time I receive a Devis, I know exactly what I am paying for. Jan Dogs have owners, cats have servants    Report

04/05/2007, 9:35 Panda Joined on 06/02/2007 Charente, Vienne, Les Arcs Posts 527 Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ? Hi It's a bit more complicated than that I'm afraid, as I understand it, to get a rate of 5.5% it must be for renovation work to a habitation older than X number of years.  I can;t really see how your furniture scenario fits in here, perhaps if it is permanent furniture replacing something that was already there (ktichen units for example), it's a bit of a grey area I would say so I can imagine the artisan might err toward charging the full rate.  We need an artisan to comment on this I feel... Panda    Report

04/05/2007, 11:11 Suninfrance Joined on 23/08/2004 Arnac Pompadour, Correze (19) Posts 915 Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ? It does seem to be a grey area.  Any artisans out there want to comment? Jan Dogs have owners, cats have servants    Report

04/05/2007, 11:51 whitey Joined on 29/04/2007 Posts 37 Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ? Hi, my understanding is the same..........after speaking to the plasterer it's 5.5% for "renovation" work on an old property (my experience is artisan decision though!!) and the higher rate for other works for newer property.....not sure what the age limits are though. good luck!! Hope life is good.    Report

04/05/2007, 12:18 Clair Joined on 23/08/2004 ------- Forum Moderator ------- Lot Posts 6,276 Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ? Things have changed a bit (tighter restrictions) since the decree of 10/08/2006. I suspect most artisans do not have time to read through the newer regulations and try their best when they quote for a job. It is really down to the owner to look into it and make sure he pays the right rate, as at the end of the day, he is the person who will be held liable by the authorities. Clair, a Real Virtual French Person La vérité est si obscurcie en ce temps et le mensonge si établi, qu'à moins d'aimer la vérité, on ne saurait la reconnaître. (Blaise Pascal)    Report

04/05/2007, 12:42 Blanche Neige Joined on 07/12/2005 Surrey / 17 Posts 688 Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ?       "It's a bit more complicated than that I'm afraid, as I understand it, to get a rate of 5.5% it must be for renovation work to a habitation older than X number of years. "                 X years = 2   There has been a lot of discussion about this T.V.A. business in the past and I am sure that sooner or later an artisan will post with correct answer.    Report

04/05/2007, 16:45 Nick Trollope Joined on 23/08/2004 Broons, Dept 22 Posts 2,451 Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ? I thought I already did..... TVA on all work by an Artisan on property is at 5.5%, except when; The property is not habitation, or less than 2 years old, the bit of the property worked upon is less than 50% of the whole (such as a commercial site with a small dwelling inside), the work is on new build (such as an extension) or the works are major (a total rebuild), the property was previously used as a dwelling (ie. not barn conversions) and not where the client is not the renter or owner of the property (ie. all subcontracted work is at 19.6% to the contractor). A fitted kitchen in an existing room (or a replacement fitted kitchen) would be 5.5%. A new bathroom, where one did not exist before would be 5.5%, unless you built an extension to house it..... OK, so there is confusion (ahem...), but the importantant thing (for the Artisan - and let's face it, we are gonna try to screw you whichever way we can) is to get the client to sign an attestation stating that they (the client & the property) meet the criteria for the reduced rate of TVA, including a clause that says that the client will pay the difference if  the TVA is calculated incorrectly - oh yes, it is also a legal requirement...   Nick www.aplaceinfrance.com    Report

05/05/2007, 10:03 Coco Joined on 14/12/2005 Manche 50 Posts 699 Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ? Both the guy that does groundworks for us and the mason we use (who have both been on courses to bring them right up to date on TVA rates) would beg to differ with Nick slightly.  They would say that if the trench being dug is to house replacement pipes for old ones to the mains, then it would be at 5.5% because it is renovation.  To dig a trench to make a new link to the mains then it would be at 19.6%. Same as our roofer charged 5.5% for putting a new window in an existing dormer but charged 19.6% for creating a new dormer in the extension to our house. Support our democratic right to freedom of speech and correct a gross injustice - Free the St Malo One!    Report

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