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12/03/2008, 19:18 Quillan Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 3,585 Re: Moving to France from South Africa Spot on Jura. I guess Mugabe keeps his troops in line by giving them food. There must become a time when the people do turn on him. Of course many will die in the process, it will probably be a massacre/bloodbath. Out of that however a lesson one hopes will be learnt and the same situation will not happen again. We we live in hope. The problem I have these days is that more and more I see people putting the blame on others and not taking responsibility for what is either happening now or in the past. The only way forward in my mind is to accept your (as a general term, not personal) responsibility and then say 'right now what can we do to put it right'. I think you are right that there are things that still happen that show we have learnt nothing from the past. http://www.chambresdhote.com    Report

12/03/2008, 19:54 Jura Joined on 28/11/2005 Posts 721 Re: Moving to France from South Africa I think we place too much power in the hands of our so-called 'leaders' and not enough sense of obligation. For pete's sake, if we have not yet learned from what has happened in just the past 70-odd years what hope do we have?    Report

19/04/2008, 10:40 Mounia Joined on 19/04/2008 Posts 1 Re: Moving to France from South Africa The warmer and dryer place in France is in the South East Cost the "Provence Cote d'Azur".    Report

30/04/2008, 21:47 postie Joined on 03/08/2005 La Vendee Posts 93 Re: Moving to France from South Africa Quillan I have read through all these posts with interest  & would like to ask you a question. If we Europeans are so abhorrent, why do thousands of Africans risk their lives every day to reach the land of their "white" fathers? Postie - African born & bred The most wasted of all days is one without laughter. -- ee cummings    Report

30/04/2008, 23:41 Quillan Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 3,585 Re: Moving to France from South Africa And which Africans would they be, indigenous or white and what countries are they going to in their thousands? http://www.chambresdhote.com    Report

01/05/2008, 8:38 postie Joined on 03/08/2005 La Vendee Posts 93 Re: Moving to France from South Africa Well that's a bit niave for a person of your intellegence. Black Africans are dying in their hundreds crossing treacherous oceans & hostile territories in their attempts to reach Europe - anywhere in Europe. I know for a fact that white people are not welcome in Africa but, when it all goes pear shaped, where is it that these people want to go - straight back into the arms of those who oppressed them for centuries. I was once told by a young European man that " Africa would be on a par with Europe if white people had never colonised the continent!" He was about as niave as you. Other than Botswana, not many African countries have shown any sort of ability to govern themselves, even after 50 years.  Postie The most wasted of all days is one without laughter. -- ee cummings    Report

01/05/2008, 10:07 ernie Joined on 05/08/2006 Posts 33 Botswana - good government ????? Well, I would not consider Botswana to be a model country because its president is clearly a racist -“President Festus Mogae once described them (Bushmen or the San people) as 'Stone Age creatures' for whom there was no place in the modern world”   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2195640.stm   ernie (Not ernieY, BTW) who is a much nicer chap !!!    Report

01/05/2008, 11:11 postie Joined on 03/08/2005 La Vendee Posts 93 Re: Botswana - good government ????? "MODEL COUNTRY in Africa" is there such a thing? In the big scheme of things, yes, Botswana is a model country! At the very least, the wealth generated by diamonds is more evenly distributed amonst the population. Every country has it's crosses to bear - Botswana being no exception! We lived there for 23 years so feel I'm qualified to comment. The most wasted of all days is one without laughter. -- ee cummings    Report

01/05/2008, 12:40 Quillan Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 3,585 Re: Botswana - good government ????? I think Postie has gone fishing to see what bites. Botswana, with only a 7% white community has a migration rate of 5.36 people per 1000. With a population at the end of 2007 of just over 1.8M that's to my reckoning about 9,000 leaving. However they are also suffering from immigrants as are any of the countries that border Zimbabwe. I think that these days mining, according to their own government is pretty low down the list in respect to employment, profit etc and is way overtaken by many other industries all of which employ more people and make more money. It would seem things have moved on a bit since Postie left the country. Alternatively, perhaps he is right but corrupt government officials are taking all the money from the mines and not passing it on to the people anymore. Source - Migration Information Organization (http://www.migrationinformation.org )and Botswana Central Statistics Office (http://www.cso.gov.bw/ ). I rather think that Postie needs to show some sources to back up what he is saying, facts and figures etc to help give his point more credibility. I think we will leave it there for the time being . http://www.chambresdhote.com    Report

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