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21/06/2006, 19:12 Patf Joined on 23/08/2004 SW Gers Posts 2,380 savoir and connaitre Two words which mean " know" in one sense or another. Can someone give examples of each ? What are the nuances of meaning? thanks - Pat.    Report

21/06/2006, 19:22 DZ Joined on 23/09/2005 Languedoc Roussillon Posts 272 Re: savoir and connaitre   I would warmly recommend www.french.about.com to you - it has brilliant explanations of all aspects of the French grammar and vocabulary.  For example, on savoir and connaitre: Savoir means to know a fact by heart how to do something Connaître means to know (someone) to be familiar with (someone or something) and so it goes on, with many examples of usage.       Report

21/06/2006, 22:49 daryl-et-elaine Joined on 16/09/2004 Posts 68 Re: savoir and connaitre  davieszak wrote:   I would warmly recommend www.french.about.com The site is currently running a quiz called "Are You a Francophile?". One question asks "Do you argue with people who claim the French are rude?" Considering 'About.com' is an American site, I think the question should read "Q: Do you argue with people who claim the French are ruder than Americans?"    Report

22/06/2006, 8:05 Patf Joined on 23/08/2004 SW Gers Posts 2,380 Re: savoir and connaitre Thanks for the reference - very helpful. I should study more. Pat.    Report

31/07/2006, 11:11 Prof de francais Joined on 31/07/2006 UK/Japan Posts 12 Re: savoir and connaitre Just a quick teacher's tip for mastery-learning pairs of words such as these. First of all, read about and absorb how the words are used, as in the second post, so you have an intellectual knowledge of what distinguishes one usage from the other. Then, make (or find in a grammar book or dictionary - Collins Robert or Oxford are good for this - i.e. dictionaries that offer an extensive range of examples, not just the one word transaltions of pocket dictionaries) several sentences that illustrate EACH major point of usage. Learn them until they stick - flash cards are good for this. Then, finally, seek opportunities to use them in conversation, so by then they should be yours, and you should be able to produce them instinctively and correctly whenever you need to.  Some language teachers will disagree with this approach, saying you just need to learn each word in context without having to have that intellectual (grammatical - there! I said it! The 'G' word that causes so much contention in language education!) awareness, as it gets in the way, according to them. I feel this is a BIG mistake, because it is the theorietical awareness that helps you to understand the nuances of the languages, that will, in the long run, influence how well you are able to communicate on more than just everyday issues.  Hope that helped. Languages are my passion.     Report

01/08/2006, 6:42 Chas Joined on 23/08/2004 Mortagne sur Gironde, 17 Posts 350 Re: savoir and connaitre A French friend gave us this as ageneral rule :- Connaitre quelqu'un and savoir quelque chose Chas 17    Report

01/08/2006, 10:23 Christine Animal Joined on 14/05/2005 Deux-Sèvres Posts 4,415 Re: savoir and connaitre It is very difficult to explain... it seems you can connaître someone, somewhere or something (direct) : Je connais Marcel, je connais Paris, je connais la chanson, le résultat, l'odeur, etc. and savoir is to know about something : je sais cuisiner, je sais comment le faire, etc.   Je connais Marcel  (I know Marcel) direct but, Je sais qui est Marcel (I know who Marcel is).   Je connais la chanson (I know the song) Je sais comment chanter la chanson (I know how to sing the song).   In the second post above it says that savoir is to know something by heart.  I would have said "je le connais par coeur", not "je le sais par coeur" (but maybe I'm wrong? ).   It is complicated...   animalaidsaintaubin/ New site Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful    Report

03/08/2006, 18:15 Prof de francais Joined on 31/07/2006 UK/Japan Posts 12 Re: savoir and connaitre I agree - it is complicated. But you can say, 'Je le connais par coeur'. It's one of those features of language where you have the rule, then you have the little nuances that seem to defy the rule. It can also mean, of a person, 'I know him completely/I know him like I know myself'.    Report

03/08/2006, 23:00 Graye Joined on 27/07/2006 Posts 63 Re: savoir and connaitre My dear old French teacher Mr Oldham used to tell us this trick : savoir is something you know for a fact or have learnt connaitre is something/someone you are acquainted with Having learned Spanish the hard way (ie having to because we live there) I have discovered they have saber (not so different as bs and vs are pronounced the same in Spanish) and conocer which are used in exactly that way. I'm sure there are lots of little nuances which disprove his rule but I think for general use it works.  Now as for the two Spanish verbs for "to be" (ser and estar) now that is a whole different ball game and I still mix them up. One is a verb of state and the other of situation, but then not always apparently...    Report

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