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Finding/Owning French Property
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08/02/2007, 17:46
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Panda

Joined on 06/02/2007
Charente, Vienne, Les Arcs
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Hi Rif and Raf!
Some advice on buying your lake, we have just done exactly the same thing and had a 'clause suspensive' entered into the compromis (the compromis being an initial contract which commits the buyer and seller), our clause stated that we must obtain 'full' planning for a house of x size on the land around the lake or we could pull out, we found an architect and had plans drawn up to meet our spec and submitted them to the mairie.
I am happy to report that two months to the day of applying for the permit de constuire, planning permission, it arrived, all approved, what a releif, we will now complete the sale in 1 months time. Our lake is not fishing business size only a couple of acres or so but the principles are the same.
We are going to live in a mobile home during the build and it it NOT a legal requirement to ask the mairie about this (as you can see if you search this has been discussed before on the forum), merely a polite and advisable thing to do. Our maire has not appplied any time restriction.
Regards and good luck
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08/02/2007, 19:17
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Miki

Joined on 23/08/2004
Saint Malo
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Well it certainly is around here. You can't even put in a small caravan in the drive or garden without permission. And look at the regulations for smaller things, like a garden shed !
I think where the error occurs on what is or what is not allowed, is that in communes and lotissments etc, you will need certainly need permission but people living out in the countryside, well many do it and a blind eye is turned, for the most part.
If one never questions, how will one ever know the answers?
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08/02/2007, 19:25
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Dick Smith

Joined on 23/08/2004
Surrey and Manche (Pays Mortainais)
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But watch it. What M. le Maire agrees to with a happy smile (and no, of course there's no need for any paperwork) may well not be what the département agrees to, as we discovered. And anyone can complain...
Regards
Dick Smith
Nowhere is there warmth to be found Among those afraid of losing their ground
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08/02/2007, 21:00
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Teamedup
Joined on 23/08/2004
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Newtothis wrote: | |
Hi Rif and Raf!
Some advice on buying your lake, we have just done exactly the same thing and had a 'clause suspensive' entered into the compromis (the compromis being an initial contract which commits the buyer and seller), our clause stated that we must obtain 'full' planning for a house of x size on the land around the lake or we could pull out, we found an architect and had plans drawn up to meet our spec and submitted them to the mairie.
I am happy to report that two months to the day of applying for the permit de constuire, planning permission, it arrived, all approved, what a releif, we will now complete the sale in 1 months time. Our lake is not fishing business size only a couple of acres or so but the principles are the same.
We are going to live in a mobile home during the build and it it NOT a legal requirement to ask the mairie about this (as you can see if you search this has been discussed before on the forum), merely a polite and advisable thing to do. Our maire has not appplied any time restriction.
Regards and good luck
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http://www.mobilhomedoccasion.com/wps/wcm/connect/Mobilhomedoccasion/Accueil/L%c3%a9gislation/
The law it would appear has recently changed, however, it is a legal requirement, read the link I have posted. So it is nothing about politesse, it is about the Mairie saying yes or no, they have the choice.
Will we have the countryside scattered with building sites with vans parked along side. Ah the beautiful french country side, what a wonderful vision it is going to be.
Boy have the government got it wrong on this one.
AND what about caravans, couldn't see a mention of them. They are after all a registered road vehicule in France.
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09/02/2007, 14:47
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Panda

Joined on 06/02/2007
Charente, Vienne, Les Arcs
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Re: 2 Families on the move
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Is it a rite of passage to this forum to be told you know nothing by TeamedUp, if so I guess I'm in!!
I will now go and write 100 times,
I must not listen to the Mairie and DDE for my town and then pass their apparently incorrect knowledge on to others
I must not listen to the Mairie and DDE for my town and then pass their apparently incorrect knowledge on to others
I must not listen to the Mairie and DDE for my town and then pass their apparently incorrect knowledge on to others
All joking aside, apologies I clearly fell into that trap of assuming someone in authority in France was telling me how it is for the whole of France not just in their little piece where they are king and what they say goes!
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09/02/2007, 15:05
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Will

Joined on 22/09/2004
Sussex & 50 (Mortainais)
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Never believe anything an official tells you unless you have seen some text to back it up or you have heard the same story from several sources. I don't know why it is, but so many fonctionnaires, if they don't know the answer or aren't sure, won't go and look it up, or ask somebody else, they will just say anything that comes into their minds. Whether it all comes down to the fact that the public are regarded as a nuisance and so must be got rid of as quickly as possible, or the official doesn't want to appear ignorant or lose face, I have no idea.
Of course, there are very helpful officials around too.
Before the whingers come out, it's not only France of course, you get the same thing in Britain, and it's very frustrating.
Even how to do something as simple as opening a bank account, which I would have thought would be an important part of the training for the bank's customer service desk staff, is beyond them: I have had three different versions about how to do/not to do it over the past ten days or so, and still have not even been able to hand over the forms for the account I want. No, I am not talking about Credit Agricole, this is a British bank (the one with the dark coloured equine trademark), and yes, I do have the right residential qualifications, that was the easy bit. And I remain perfectly calm and polite and smile at the staff - perhaps it would be more effective if I did treat them like monkeys.
I suppose the good thing is that if you can deal with the British numbskulls, the French awkwardness won't seem so much of a challenge.
Will
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09/02/2007, 15:30
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Panda

Joined on 06/02/2007
Charente, Vienne, Les Arcs
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Hi Will
I will bear that in mind, they were helpful and maybe they were just being nice, (yeah right)
Anywho on the dark equine represented bank, you should worry, I have been trying to transfer money from the UK to my french account. I have done this many times over the last 4 years and so was not expecting trouble but can you believe in modern day UK my branch has had no phone lines for 4 days, now how is that possible you ask. It would seem that BT have cut them off somehow and now nothing works. I had to chuck lots of toys from my pram before they called me via mobile (ooh the wonders of modern science) and now I have the money but it took 4 days and lots of shouting.
They had my letter last week with the instructions (sames as all the other times I've done it) but decided I was not me, now luckily I was sure I was me (god knows what would have happened if I wasn't sure either)
Panda (trying to become Panda, not newtothis but computer says no when I try to edit my details)
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