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02/07/2009, 8:42 Frenchie Joined on 31/05/2007 Granzay, 2 Sèvres,79 Posts 8,246 Re: Sirloin Steak I live in town... I know my English may be broken, but I really meant adopting, because, whatever you say, most of the time, what can be found in the UK  is foreign food , not a slight touch of exoticism added to British food, .. I'm sorry if I touch your patriotic soul , but I mean it, and even other British people agree on that. To me, UK food is excellent traditional food you can still find in country pubs. For instance, I had the best steak pie ever up north, close to  the lake district . I adore trifles, a lovely sunday roast, scones, suasages, etc.. THAT IS British food to me. But I'm sorry, the millions of restaurants that serve Chicken Korma, chinese fried noodles and sushi or samosa... You can't say this is UK food with a touch of exoticism. I adore exotic food. By the way, I am well known among my friends for being a good cook, ( family tradition) I love the UK, I ve lived there, and have a real interest in the country, its culturre,its history... If you have humour, yes, it passed over my head, or ... not?    Life has a habit of biting you on the bum in ways that you least expect    Report

02/07/2009, 8:51 Catalpa Joined on 23/08/2004 Southern Manche - 50 Posts 1,708 Re: Sirloin Steak  Frenchie wrote: For instance, I had the best steak pie ever up north, close to  the lake district . I adore trifles, a lovely sunday roast, scones, suasages, etc.. THAT IS British food to me. That is stereotypically traditional British food but that isn't what I'm talking about and indeed, though when done well it is good, a diet of roasts, sausages, trifles, scones is dull and predictable too. Not to say a tad on the unhealthy side.  Frenchie wrote: But I'm sorry, the millions of restaurants that serve Chicken Korma, chinese fried noodles and sushi or samosa... You can't say this is UK food with a touch of exoticism. <sound of forehead hitting keyboard in despair> No, I would not and have not. Though touches of those cuisines may influence more traditional ideas. And that open-ness to influence and innovation is what I'm talking about. But as you continue to miss the point, I think I'll leave you to your trifle and scones and wish you bon appétit!... not to mention... on egin! guten appetit! buon appetito! buen appetito! bon apetis! bom apetite!      Report

02/07/2009, 9:01 Frenchie Joined on 31/05/2007 Granzay, 2 Sèvres,79 Posts 8,246 Re: Sirloin Steak N'importe quoi......... Creative cuisine, OK, to a certain extent, whether in France or the UK, but same thing, this is not what you get in people's homes or even in average restos.. ANd NO, I didn't miss yur point. If you want the last word, yeahhhhh have it, and I'll go cook my tian de légumes d été  . Life has a habit of biting you on the bum in ways that you least expect    Report

02/07/2009, 9:08 Catalpa Joined on 23/08/2004 Southern Manche - 50 Posts 1,708 Re: Sirloin Steak  Frenchie wrote: ...this is not what you get in people's homes or even in average restos.. Now that is my point... because from my experience over the past (say) 10 years that is what I'm getting from (non-French) restaurants and in people's homes... It's not a question of being patriotic - though it may be for you - it's a question of compare, contrast and analysis. I don't desperately want British food to be better - I live in France, I'm staying in France, I'd be delighted if French food was running rings around the rest of the world... but I don't think it is any more. And now I'm handing the thread back to Bob T et al... while pondering a nice (pink in the middle) magret for supper...    Report

02/07/2009, 10:49 Chancer Joined on 16/07/2006 Picardie, Sussex Posts 4,878 Re: Sirloin Steak Catalpa I am struggling to recognise this English cuisine with borrowed influences adding a different dimension to often well known British dishes. If the traditional dishes which in my view we should be proud of are boring and stereotypically traditional what does exactly does English cuisine  have to be proud of? Bangladeshi imigrants reinventing themselves as Indian restauranters and creating chicken tikka masala for the deadened taste buds of the after pub trade? How many English people actually know of any of their regional specialities let alone be proud of them, carry on the tradition etc? The shopping trolleys at any supermarket will tell you hardly any, if I hadnt done a traditional british cookery course when I was young then I would not know of the existence of Sussex pond pudding to name but one. Whenever I have cooked this or other regional dishes for friends in Sussex no-one has ever heard of it. Contrast that to the number one question that I am asked by French people, "what is your regional speciality", or  "what are the regional specialities in England) I am always ashamed of my ignorance to answer the second one. My French friends are proud of their own regional specialities and love nothing better to debate at length the taste of all the other regional fare, en bref they are proud of their countries cuisine, with reason I say,  in a way that I have never experienced in any other country especially England.    Report

03/07/2009, 16:50 Clair Joined on 23/08/2004 Real Virtual French Person & Moderator - Lot (46) Posts 11,500 Re: Sirloin Steak  Nell wrote:  Clair wrote: How to Turn Cheap “Choice” Steak into Gucci “Prime” Steak Have you tried this Clair ??? We grilled a massive (1" thick and over 1lb!) faux-filet steak on the BBQ today. It was superb meat, marbled, juicy and meltingly tender! I did not try the salt-coating method (it did cost of lot of €€), but I did salt it before grilling... Miam miam Clair The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. Paradise Lost - John Milton    Report

03/07/2009, 16:52 Frenchie Joined on 31/05/2007 Granzay, 2 Sèvres,79 Posts 8,246 Re: Sirloin Steak Oh right !! So that was that delicious smell we could smell from here !! Life has a habit of biting you on the bum in ways that you least expect    Report

03/07/2009, 16:55 Clair Joined on 23/08/2004 Real Virtual French Person & Moderator - Lot (46) Posts 11,500 Re: Sirloin Steak We just had to test the new Weber BBQ! (as seen at the back of this picture)! Just to make sure I've got it right, I'll have to try again tomorrow with the other big faux-filet! Clair The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. Paradise Lost - John Milton    Report

03/07/2009, 17:00 Scooby Joined on 25/09/2007 Peak District & Périgord Noir Posts 1,144 Re: Sirloin Steak J.R's gone native said: "I am struggling to recognise this English cuisine with borrowed influences adding a different dimension to often well known British dishes". I think I know what Catalpa is talking about.  Traditionally (i.e. when I was a child) we would have had a lamb / beef casserole, roast or similar.  Now we have things like slow cooked venison with bitter chocolate, lamb shank braised in red currant sauce, chicken braised with pumpkin, wild mushrooms and cream.  (And, yes, we eat these at home.) These are not 'traditional british dishes' nor are they obviously french, italian whatever.  The UK simply has a much better range of produce available now which has been influenced, to a large extent, by the cultural mix of its population. The media has also elevated food (both cooking and eating) to a serious pass time / hobby rather than the functional mundane topic it was in our parents and grandparents era.     Report

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