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09/05/2008, 14:47 plod Joined on 17/05/2007 Posts 233 Re: Rugby World Cup 3rd XV There are a couple which seem worthwhile - the quick line-out and the restriction on a player kicking direct to touch if the ball is passed back to him into his 22. I am not over keen on the rolling maul which seems almost impossible to defend legally. As for the rest the game in the Northern hemisphere is strong and there are plenty  of tries so I would leave alone.    Report

11/05/2008, 7:32 UlsterRugby1999 Joined on 27/04/2006 Posts 217 Re: Rugby World Cup 3rd XV Sounds like a pretty ground out win in Kingsholm plod and with 71 tackles from the Glaws in the first 30 minutes it was probably the most physical game they have played all season. My jury is out on the rules still but they seem hell bent on reducing the pack impact at srcumdown. I dont disagree but I'd much prefer to see the ref given better aids for decision aking as there have been some howlers this season. The TMO should have a greater involvement than just s disputed try. Munster were beaten yesterday but by all accounts the ref missed a blatant obstruction which gifted a try to Glasgow. Its these howlers which need to be sorted out especially at this time in the season when a win could mean a fortune lost for next year and so on.    Report

11/05/2008, 14:57 plod Joined on 17/05/2007 Posts 233 Re: Rugby World Cup 3rd XV Leicester are extremely fortunate to be in the play-offs, Sale must be really disappointed to lose to Irish. I think we should beat Leicester and I fancy Bath might do Wasps. Don't you think reffing decisions even themselves out. We looked to be deprived of a try yesterday.    Report

11/05/2008, 18:34 raindog Joined on 26/09/2007 HERAULT Posts 796 Re: Rugby World Cup 3rd XV  plod wrote: . Don't you think reffing decisions even themselves out. I've always said it's swings and roundabouts. I missed the Toulon match as we had loadsa people round. sociability is just a big smile and a big smile is nothing but teeth    Report

12/05/2008, 13:52 UlsterRugby1999 Joined on 27/04/2006 Posts 217 Re: Rugby World Cup 3rd XV  plod wrote: . Don't you think reffing decisions even themselves out. I've always said it's swings and roundabouts. I missed the Toulon match as we had loadsa people round. " src="/cs/images/emotions/sad.gif">  I've heard this before and probably even used the same expression but the answer is NO it doesnt go round and come round. For a ref to miss a blatant obstruction is bad enough but there are more than this one isolated incident every season and it costs clubs a fortune. The difference between winning a game (as Munster were doing against Glasgow) and losing the match can mean many many thousands of lost revenues. Imagine 2 clubs battling it out to avoid relegation from the GP and the ref produces a howler. One team, who were winning and would have stayed end up beaten by a point or two and get relegated. How much would that cost them. Just take a look at this for terrible ref decision making http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEZUc__B9kQ the blokes reaction is good too    Report

12/05/2008, 14:57 foxyloxy25 Joined on 23/07/2007 Albi (81) Posts 35 Re: Rugby World Cup 3rd XV I'd probably be feeling bad if Glaws had suffered from a poor decision but I'm not sure what you can do about it save ensure that refs get training and feedback, and, if necessary, are demoted from top games. I still feel that somewhere along the line Munster will have benefitted from a bad decision. In the case you showed I didn't think it was that bad. The penalised player killed the ball and was "choking" the tackled player. It was a clear penalty but in most cases the ref would have reversed it for the retaliation. Probably would have been a sending-off as well, but he wouldn't be the first player to only get carded for a punch. (I'm plod by the way on my wife's log-in!)    Report

12/05/2008, 20:58 UlsterRugby1999 Joined on 27/04/2006 Posts 217 Re: Rugby World Cup 3rd XV Mmmmmmm - Think I prefer the foxyloxy25 version The vid clip was just to show how variable the refs are. A direct punch is a red card offence these days. Period. Yet .................. Munster wont benefit from having lost to a try that should never have been and nor will they be the last unless the IRB looks at the problem for refs. Most refs are seriously good and honest guys and I'd personally hate their job but the pressure to achieve is so great for the clubs/players that one slip could have a major impact. Anyway, its a rumbling on argument. Still prefer the foxy girlie one though What about raindog -  you gotta lovely wee lassie title too. Anyway, congrats to the Glaws. I think given their performances this season they truly desreve what they have achieved and so I hope there are a few sore heads around Gloucester this week.    Report

13/05/2008, 6:46 raindog Joined on 26/09/2007 HERAULT Posts 796 Re: Rugby World Cup 3rd XV Spitting teeth and blood and he still gets sent off sociability is just a big smile and a big smile is nothing but teeth    Report

15/05/2008, 8:31 UlsterRugby1999 Joined on 27/04/2006 Posts 217 Re: Rugby World Cup 3rd XV Morning raindog - do you mean me Rugby's a funny auld game but the gafs from the refs are getting wosre and much more common. I dont agree with having a go at the ref as you see regularly in football, but I do understand the frustration that players must feel. In the vid clip the ref was out of order. Sure the guy tackled a little high and didnt release the man but the punch was a red card offence, the ref gave a sin bin 10, and the reaction of the commentators and crowd is enough to let you know how off the mark he was. Anyway, the new rules wont change the pressure refs are under nor will it change the pressure clubs, players and coaches are under and this is where the problems stem from. As plod rightly points out, look at the games that Professional players are playing these days especially GP guys. Cant be good for them nor the sport.    Report

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