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20/02/2008, 6:30 Quillan Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 3,625 Re: Moving to France from South Africa "Look at Zimbabwe,  Zambia,  Congo, Angola, Kenya , Namibia & many others -  all in a mess." I rest my case, all ex colonies of the white man. If you treat a group of people like mushrooms then b*gger off (after raping the place of it's natural resources etc) leaving the keys to the house behind of course there will be a load of trouble. These people just didn't know how to run an economy so what do you expect. People who live in a country are not always the best informed because of state propaganda, just look at the BBC and the UK. Quit often those on the outside see things that those on the inside don't or can't so living in a country does not always mean you know more. Not, may I add, am I by far an expert on Africa, I just like reading things. Unfortunately I can't continue with this as I am off for a well earned break. I would like to say that personally the taking of any life is bad and yes some of the things that are happening on the African continent are very bad. My problem is looking back who has initiated these things which I believe  goes back to the initial colonization and the method in which the population was treated and the the way the colonists gave independence Good debate, I enjoyed it.. http://www.chambresdhote.com    Report

20/02/2008, 9:52 tegwini Joined on 19/09/2007 Wiltshire & Vienne Posts 175 Re: Moving to France from South Africa Thank you W-B's brother & CJR So much guilt in the western psyche- it surprizes me constantly - often people who have never travelled & have been brainwashed at school  & etc (that's certainly the case in school today - as a historian I have had to cope with that!)    We seem to be apologising for everything - slavery for example, and yet the ancestors of the slaves must thank their lucky stars they are not back in Africa , & be aware of the numbers of their former tribes & familes who would give anything to emigrate to the US - or anywhere! Talking of propanganda Quillan- we get loads of it here - recently the BBC claimed (via a Mugabe crony) that Ian Smith won't be missed - ironic or what?   - most of Zim is counting the days until Comrade Mugabe dies - not all will live to see it however. Lots of ignorence too, the SA press & judiciary was always independent & there was lots of opposition to the SA (apartheid) government so it's quite wrong to say people don't know or didn't know what was going on - this has not been possible for many decades and it beggars belief that outsiders can pontificate on something they have never experienced. This is it for me also - the brick wall here is a bit hard! tegwini I think, therefore perhaps I am...    Report

20/02/2008, 15:56 artsole Joined on 07/02/2008 Vaucluse Posts 195 Re: Moving to France from South Africa PHEWWWW! "L'art n'a rien de sacré, ce n'est qu'un divin prétexte humain pour séduire"    Report

20/02/2008, 17:10 raindog Joined on 26/09/2007 HERAULT Posts 777 Re: Moving to France from South Africa  tegwini wrote:     We seem to be apologising for everything - slavery for example, and yet the ancestors of the slaves must thank their lucky stars they are not back in Africa , & be aware of the numbers of their former tribes & familes who would give anything to emigrate to the US - or anywhere! I agree with this 100% but it doesn't, of course, justify slavery. BTW, what a fascinating thread - i've read every word you lot have written sociability is just a big smile and a big smile is nothing but teeth    Report

20/02/2008, 17:27 artsole Joined on 07/02/2008 Vaucluse Posts 195 Re: Moving to France from South Africa raindog, if you found it fascinating, you can buy the book here............... www.amateurhistorians.com "L'art n'a rien de sacré, ce n'est qu'un divin prétexte humain pour séduire"    Report

20/02/2008, 17:50 raindog Joined on 26/09/2007 HERAULT Posts 777 Re: Moving to France from South Africa anyway, i'm a third the way through Ronnie Wood's autobiography, so...... sociability is just a big smile and a big smile is nothing but teeth    Report

20/02/2008, 18:02 artsole Joined on 07/02/2008 Vaucluse Posts 195 Re: Moving to France from South Africa  raindog wrote: anyway, i'm a third the way through Ronnie Wood's autobiography, so...... ah raindog.............real life, much more interesting "L'art n'a rien de sacré, ce n'est qu'un divin prétexte humain pour séduire"    Report

20/02/2008, 18:05 raindog Joined on 26/09/2007 HERAULT Posts 777 Re: Moving to France from South Africa You said it (it's a fantastic read) sociability is just a big smile and a big smile is nothing but teeth    Report

20/02/2008, 21:48 artsole Joined on 07/02/2008 Vaucluse Posts 195 Re: Moving to France from South Africa sex, drugs and...........................sh*t, what was the other thing! "L'art n'a rien de sacré, ce n'est qu'un divin prétexte humain pour séduire"    Report

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