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09/05/2008, 4:12 SaligoBay Joined on 23/08/2004 uncharted outer reaches of Montpellier Agglo Posts 2,951 Re: Ragondin  Frenchie wrote: I know they are a menace to river banks and lakes, but I can't help thinking they were introduced in France by men .............................................................................   Men make mistakes......... or hadn't you noticed?    One may tolerate a world of demons for the sake of an angel.    Report

09/05/2008, 6:53 cassis Joined on 28/12/2007 Manhattan and Glasgow Posts 520 Re: Ragondin Leaving them alone is not an option - a byelaw requires the ragondin traps to be set if they are seen on your property because of the damage they cause to the many local étangs when left to breed uncontrolled.  They eventually undermine the dykes that retain the étang waters and drain the lake, as happened to someone from another area who contacted me last year to ask if I knew anyone who could rebuild their étang, which had disappeared overnight.  Somebody suggested simply moving them downstream.  Brilliant idea.  Why didn't I think of that. Read this: http://etangs.ifrance.com/ragondin.htm Zoggy played guitar, jammin' good with Weird and Golly. Lyrics copyright Sausage Music 2008    Report

09/05/2008, 7:08 Frenchie Joined on 31/05/2007 2 Sèvres,79 Posts 3,884 Re: Ragondin  SaligoBay wrote:  Frenchie wrote: I know they are a menace to river banks and lakes, but I can't help thinking they were introduced in France by men .............................................................................   Men make mistakes......... or hadn't you noticed?    All I notice is that once again man is responsible for what happens to him........ And ragondins now have to be exterminated.. They were not part of the wildlife in France. Some silly people introduced them here, and now we are quarelling about the most humane way to eradicate them.......... Here in deux sèvres, I ve seen poisoned carrots left on the riverbanks by the authorities, a few years back, in the Marais Poitevin, now I don't know how they eradicate them, I'll ask a friend who lives there, where there are so many.     Happy    Report

09/05/2008, 7:45 cassis Joined on 28/12/2007 Manhattan and Glasgow Posts 520 Re: Ragondin I'd be very interested to know anything useful you can find out, Frenchie. Just to recap, the ragondin catcher put the trap down a fortnight ago, told me to check it daily and, if one was caught, to strike it through the bars with a metal spike to kill it.  I thought no more about this for a fortnight as daily checks revealed nothing in the trap.  I moved it to a new position by the stream the day before yesterday and woke to find a raggy in the trap yesterday morning.  Now faced with the practicality of killing what turned out to be a largish, leaping, agile beastie in a large cage, the impracticality of what had been proposed by the catcher struck me with some force.  I remembered that someone else had suggested that their neighbour simply drowned them in the cage.  Not sure about this option either, I posted on the forum - the picture was a mistake, as it doesn't show the huge orange-yellow front teeth and huge claws to best effect.  Thereafter no better suggestion was proposed than the drowning method.  So drowning it was.  Why anyone should think there was any pleasure to be had in killing the creature, by whatever method, is beyond me. Personally, I have no blood lust and used to be squeamish about emptying mousetraps until I came to live in the countryside. Zoggy played guitar, jammin' good with Weird and Golly. Lyrics copyright Sausage Music 2008    Report

09/05/2008, 8:46 Bugbear Joined on 15/11/2006 Vienne (86) Posts 3,686 Re: Ragondin  chris pp wrote: I suppose I'll have to put the record straight once again. Ragondin / Coypu are an introduced species that do an immense amount of damage which affects other native species and also the natural filtration system whereby rainwater etc drains into rivers and lakes. The primary problem isn't so much the tunnels as the destruction of aquatic and bank side vegetation which puts many species at risk, including the Large copper butterfly which I have recently written about. Nothing like the Newbury bypass then............................................... I've got several families of coypu  in my river bank. It is a real pleasure to stroll down and sit quietly watching their antics and in over five years of being here there is, as Chris has said,  absolutely no further destruction of the river bank. Vegetation is not a problem here as its quite overgrown. I guess some people just don't get it................................but what a sad day it will be when 'man' has succeeded in destroying everything on this planet. IMHO of course, which, contrary to the belief of some, I am entitled to have. Leave the Moles alone................................................................................   "Life is Short - Forgive Quickly - Love Truly - Laugh Uncontrollably"    Report

09/05/2008, 10:56 Christine Animal Joined on 14/05/2005 Deux-Sèvres Posts 4,241 Re: Ragondin The term euthanasia is derived from the Greek terms eu meaning good and thanatos meaning death. A “good death” would be one that occurs with minimal pain and distress. Euthanasia is the act of inducing humane death in an animal. It is the responsibility of Wildlife Control Operators to ensure that if an animal's life is to be taken, it is to be done with the highest degree of respect and with the emphasis on making the death as painless and distress free as possible. Euthanasia techniques should result in rapid loss of consciousness followed by cardiac or respiratory arrest and the ultimate loss of brain function. In addition the technique should minimize distress and anxiety experienced by the animal prior to loss of consciousness. Drowning, freezing or using a vehicle to supply carbon monoxide are not acceptable methods of euthanizing any animal.   http://www.dfw.state.or.us/wildlife/license_permits_apps/docs/WCO_Training_Manual.pdf   animalaidsaintaubin.monsite.orange.fr/ Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful    Report

09/05/2008, 13:40 Benjamin Joined on 21/08/2005 Vendée South Posts 1,645 Re: Ragondin Reading through this thread from yesterday afternoon I can't help wondering how many of you are still talking to, having aperos with and eating meals with your neighbours after you've seen yesterday's pregnant cat isn't so today, but can't see any kittens around? Benjamin Snips, snails and puppy dog tails    Report

09/05/2008, 13:43 woolybanana'sbrother Joined on 18/01/2008 Posts 1,321 Re: Ragondin Lets face it, if coypu had any real commercial value, they would be protected. Do not try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.    Report

09/05/2008, 13:48 cassis Joined on 28/12/2007 Manhattan and Glasgow Posts 520 Re: Ragondin Thanks for the link, Christine.  However, I'm not sure whether the rules for licensed pest controllers in Oregon are more relevant in this case than the Victoria State authorities ruling on the destruction of cane toads.  At least I read it. http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/features/RuralRevolution/asp/070723coypu.aspx http://www.issg.org/database/species/ecology.asp?fr=1&si=99 http://etangs.ifrance.com/ragondin.htm Zoggy played guitar, jammin' good with Weird and Golly. Lyrics copyright Sausage Music 2008    Report

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