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09/05/2008, 8:46 Bugbear Joined on 15/11/2006 Vienne (86) Posts 3,492 Re: Ragondin  chris pp wrote: I suppose I'll have to put the record straight once again. Ragondin / Coypu are an introduced species that do an immense amount of damage which affects other native species and also the natural filtration system whereby rainwater etc drains into rivers and lakes. The primary problem isn't so much the tunnels as the destruction of aquatic and bank side vegetation which puts many species at risk, including the Large copper butterfly which I have recently written about. Nothing like the Newbury bypass then............................................... I've got several families of coypu  in my river bank. It is a real pleasure to stroll down and sit quietly watching their antics and in over five years of being here there is, as Chris has said,  absolutely no further destruction of the river bank. Vegetation is not a problem here as its quite overgrown. I guess some people just don't get it................................but what a sad day it will be when 'man' has succeeded in destroying everything on this planet. IMHO of course, which, contrary to the belief of some, I am entitled to have. Leave the Moles alone................................................................................   "Life is Short - Forgive Quickly - Love Truly - Laugh Uncontrollably"    Report

09/05/2008, 10:56 Christine Animal Joined on 14/05/2005 Deux-Sèvres Posts 3,932 Re: Ragondin The term euthanasia is derived from the Greek terms eu meaning good and thanatos meaning death. A “good death” would be one that occurs with minimal pain and distress. Euthanasia is the act of inducing humane death in an animal. It is the responsibility of Wildlife Control Operators to ensure that if an animal's life is to be taken, it is to be done with the highest degree of respect and with the emphasis on making the death as painless and distress free as possible. Euthanasia techniques should result in rapid loss of consciousness followed by cardiac or respiratory arrest and the ultimate loss of brain function. In addition the technique should minimize distress and anxiety experienced by the animal prior to loss of consciousness. Drowning, freezing or using a vehicle to supply carbon monoxide are not acceptable methods of euthanizing any animal.   http://www.dfw.state.or.us/wildlife/license_permits_apps/docs/WCO_Training_Manual.pdf   animalaidsaintaubin.monsite.orange.fr/ Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful    Report

09/05/2008, 13:40 Benjamin Joined on 21/08/2005 Vendée South Posts 1,491 Re: Ragondin Reading through this thread from yesterday afternoon I can't help wondering how many of you are still talking to, having aperos with and eating meals with your neighbours after you've seen yesterday's pregnant cat isn't so today, but can't see any kittens around? Benjamin Snips, snails and puppy dog tails    Report

09/05/2008, 13:43 woolybanana'sbrother Joined on 18/01/2008 Posts 540 Re: Ragondin Lets face it, if coypu had any real commercial value, they would be protected.    Report

09/05/2008, 13:48 cassis Joined on 28/12/2007 Guadaloupe Posts 147 Re: Ragondin Thanks for the link, Christine.  However, I'm not sure whether the rules for licensed pest controllers in Oregon are more relevant in this case than the Victoria State authorities ruling on the destruction of cane toads.  At least I read it. http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/features/RuralRevolution/asp/070723coypu.aspx http://www.issg.org/database/species/ecology.asp?fr=1&si=99 http://etangs.ifrance.com/ragondin.htm Zoggy played guitar, jammin' good with Weird and Golly. Lyrics copyright Sausage Music 2008    Report

09/05/2008, 14:34 Patf Joined on 23/08/2004 SW Gers Posts 1,996 Re: Ragondin Benjamin - I think I can guess what you are implying. But when a cat has kittens you won't see them for a few weeks anyway. She will have chosen a secure spot to leave them, and ventures out herself soon after the birth, for food etc.    Report

09/05/2008, 14:55 Pixie Toadstool Joined on 11/09/2007 Manche/Hampshire Posts 68 Re: Ragondin I had always thought that drowning was meant to be one of the least painful ways to die along with carbon monoxide inhalation (gassing yourself with your car exhaust) and hypothermia. Doing a quick scan on google I have found 3 accounts from people who nearly died drowning and it doesn't seem that bad!  Much better than being burned at the stake or staked with a nasty pointed stick or  being poisoned (can be extremely painful).  Here are 3 accounts FYI: Having nearly drowned once the little I can add is that it didn't hurt. From what I see on tv it's horrific. But when it was actually happening to me, I refused to breathe and blacked out, underwater, in the ocean. When I came to I was on the dry ground having CPR done. I do not have any memory of pain.   I almost drowned when I was a kid and I can say that was not as bad as you imagine. I remember being underwater, the peace and tranquility and I felt I didn't want anyone to get me out of the water. I almost died drowning once. I can tell you that it is very unpleasant at first, you're really panicky, obviously, and it's painful not to breath. It's not quite like any other pain, though, it's like... irritating, too, like when you try not to swallow but your body wants you to. It's achy. But after a while, you start to give up, and it stops hurting. You feel kind of at peace. Your brain has so little oxygen that you stop panicking, and you kind of relax, until you pass out. That's when I was rescued, obviously. And usually when you pass out from lack of oxygen, you start breathing even though you're unconcious, but when you're under water, you obviously can't, so you die. Pix    Report

09/05/2008, 15:25 powerdesal Joined on 07/01/2006 Sharjah U.A.E Posts 1,630 Re: Ragondin Hey Soz, You really should have expected the flak  but good for you anyway. ( now I will share the flak I expect) Steve Sharjah + 50 (in France) ...........................................................................    Report

09/05/2008, 15:54 Benjamin Joined on 21/08/2005 Vendée South Posts 1,491 Re: Ragondin  Patf wrote: Benjamin - I think I can guess what you are implying. That's my problem, too subtle by half.  Just to be a bit more specific; rural French families get rid of unwanted kittens by drowning them. Benjamin Snips, snails and puppy dog tails    Report

09/05/2008, 15:58 Dick Smith Joined on 23/08/2004 Surrey and Manche (Pays Mortainais) Posts 8,491 Re: Ragondin Ours don't. The cats are semi-feral, and are encouraged - a little - to keep down the vermin. The kittens are born in the outbuidings (ours, by the look of it) and grow up (or not) pretty naturally. Which means a low survival rate. We seem to have a new set of cats each time we go out. What I don't understand is that, from the evidence, the cats mostly live on local birdlife, often pigeons, so the benefit to the farmers must be pretty marginal. Regards Dick Smith Nullius In Verba    Report

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