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05/05/2008, 18:25 KathyF Joined on 17/02/2007 Mid-Wales & Southern Manche (50) Posts 120 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  Russethouse wrote:   PS I agree with Richard re his healthcare proposals - in fact I would wholly support a move to an insurance based system for the UK.  Ahem - What do you think National Insurance is  ? Actually, RH, National Insurance isn't for the health service, but for pensions and other benefits, which is why you don't get a proper pension if you haven't paid enough contributions.   The NHS is funded from general taxation. There's an interesting bit of background here: http://www.open2.net/historyandthearts/history/theservice_welfare.html    Report

05/05/2008, 18:33 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 9,868 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? Thanks Kathy, I think I had been told that before but forgot..... www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

05/05/2008, 18:59 powerdesal Joined on 07/01/2006 Sharjah U.A.E Posts 2,173 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  KathyF wrote:  Russethouse wrote:   PS I agree with Richard re his healthcare proposals - in fact I would wholly support a move to an insurance based system for the UK.   Actually, RH, National Insurance isn't for the health service, but for pensions and other benefits, which is why you don't get a proper pension if you haven't paid enough contributions. or any pension at all if you cant quote your NI number and they cant find you in the archives, even though you know you have paid enough - but cant prove it. Steve Sharjah (but not for long ) + 50 (in France) ........................................................................... 7 days Ins'Allah (1 with the packers, 2 for the week end, 4 for work)( or maybe 8, or 9, or 10 or 11 or....)    Report

05/05/2008, 19:34 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,240 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? Scooby said " I just get p**'d off with the whingers who have far less health problems than I do but are too bone idle to get off their backsides and work...and use their illness as an excuse to scrounge" With you 110%  there Scooby, nobody on here has mentioned the IB claimant who was a Welsh football assistant referee filmed running up and down the line at a match, (who said you cannot fiddle the IB assessment?) and the Scottish teacher who tried to claim IB because he was bald ( he must have been getting ready to move to France) "I also get p**'d off with those who are either hyperchondriacs or who see a visit to their weekly visit to their GP as a valid 'social outing'.  (FYI my OH is a doctor and my daughter and sister are nurses - so it is 'an informed comment').    I think if more people in the UK had to cough up 30 euros for a visit to their doctor it would cut down some of the abuse of the NHS in the UK". I agree and many people in the UK have suggested this but no sane politician of any party is going to put this forward as a policy as it would be jumped on by the media even the Daily Mail,  as a tax on the  sick and therefore political suicide.  Also, it would not work unless treatment by A&Es were also strictly controlled and managed and/or charged,  otherwise they would just be full up with those avoiding payment.  Turning people away from A&E would also be fraught with danger, which paramedic or casualty nurse or doctor is going to turn away anybody with a headache or a sore throat? The fee by the way in France to see a GP is 22€ Why not post a sensible answer, people will appreciate it more    Report

05/05/2008, 19:47 Rob Roy Joined on 11/03/2006 19 - Correze Posts 663 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? I worked in the NHS, and for years have said that if people were given an itemised account of the cost of their treatment when they left hospital (not to be paid, but for information) they would then, perhaps, appreciate how much it actually costs to treat and look after them. Perhaps it should be extended to their visits to the GP and A&E!    Report

05/05/2008, 20:28 Sunday Driver Joined on 07/10/2005 Deux Sevres (79) Posts 2,912 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? The reality is that, regardless of how people are asked to fund their heathcare, whether it be from their general taxation or through a contributory insurance scheme, they are paying into the 'pot' so they can obtain treatment on demand for whatever they feel is wrong with them.  The actual cost of that treatment which is paid for out of the 'pot' is immaterial to them.  The only thing that matters is that they've been treated. Scooby seems to think that paying 30€ up front for a doctor's appointment is the way to go - he seems to be alluding to the French system, but he doesn't understand that French people don't have to cough up 30€ to see a doctor because that's already covered by the 'pot' they've been paying into through their carte vitale/mutuelle.....   Waddya mean it's only Saturday......    Report

05/05/2008, 23:45 Boiling a frog Joined on 06/09/2004 Charente 16 Posts 598 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? Most of my French friends go to the doctor at the drop of a hat.Their attitude is that we pay for it via our contributions and our top up assurance so we need to get our money,s worth.   PS I believe the figure for employed peoples contibution to health care is 0.8% of their salary.         Boiling a frog    Report

06/05/2008, 0:03 oscar Joined on 28/02/2008 Posts 53 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  powerdesal wrote:  KathyF wrote:  Russethouse wrote:   PS I agree with Richard re his healthcare proposals - in fact I would wholly support a move to an insurance based system for the UK.   Actually, RH, National Insurance isn't for the health service, but for pensions and other benefits, which is why you don't get a proper pension if you haven't paid enough contributions. or any pension at all if you cant quote your NI number and they cant find you in the archives, even though you know you have paid enough - but cant prove it. With you there Powerdesal.  My poor old mum has only had 12 pounds a week pension from the age of 60 to 75 because the "system" lost details of her NI contributions when she owned a pub and she was unable to "prove" that she had paid into the system, which she had, becuase the Post Office that she made her contributions at had been demolished to make a flyover so there were no records.  She had since married my step-dad, 10 years younger than her, so she wasn't entitled to a full pension til he was pensionable age, although she had worked from age 14 to 64!!!!     Report

06/05/2008, 0:08 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 9,868 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? My mother couldn't prove her contributions either but with the help of Paul Lewis from Moneybox and Saga eventually got her entitlement and a lump sum - her records office was bombed during the war..... Is it really the Post Office that counts, surely they forward the money with a number for it to be allotted too ? www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

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