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18/04/2008, 22:03 dr orloff Joined on 13/04/2008 Posts 70 Re: Keeping Uk Residency? No, not hair splitting.  There is a massive difference between the authorities being passed information routinely - ie: effectively keeping tabs on everyone and selecting an individual to investigate.   I'm surprised you can't understand the difference.    Report

18/04/2008, 22:36 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 9,804 Re: Keeping Uk Residency? I understand the difference very well, what is important for the OP is that she understands that you have to be truthful - you just can't make up arrival and departure dates, they have to be genuine. (not that I am suggesting for one moment that this was her intention)Of course we don't actually KNOW that the authorities do not get this info routinely do we ? We summize it isn't the case.... What we do know is that the info is available should it be required........................so the poster who said 'who's to know?' was wrong in thinking no one would. www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

18/04/2008, 23:07 dr orloff Joined on 13/04/2008 Posts 70 Re: Keeping Uk Residency? I agree that one should be truthful according to the law  - ie: more than six months a year should be declared as residency in France.   But one doesn't have to be truthful.  Of course, appreciate the consequences of ignoring the law.  But I maintain that the risks of being investigated for someone who visits relatives, doesn't own a property in France, derives no earned income and maintains a UK residence are pretty low. You can't seriously believe that there is a system somewhere that logs and actively monitors the movements of everybody to and from the UK, and/or France.      Report

19/04/2008, 7:34 Tony F Dordogne Joined on 10/04/2005 Small village in the Dordogne, near St Cyprien Posts 1,476 Re: Keeping Uk Residency? Dr Orloff, in France there is an interconnected system of information transfer between government departments, many of whom have investigative powers way beyond those of similar departments in the UK.  This subject comes up every now and again and the last time it was raised, somebody (Will or Clair perhaps) posted the list, all of whom share information about people in France on a daily basis, it's high speed, computerised and isn't that far behind the current date.  Everybody, la monde. And from experience I know that all movement into and out of France is monitored, not necessarily through the use of passport details but all passenger lists, which includes booking addresses, payment details etc are returned to the government here. What you say is partially correct, why would anybody want to check on somebody's aged mother?  Until of course, something goes wrong and the EHIC card is invalidated because some bright spark puts two and two together and gets things right.  I can assure you that things like that do happen here, again from experience. Tony F Dordogne (24) Huguenot Trails    Report

19/04/2008, 7:36 Tony F Dordogne Joined on 10/04/2005 Small village in the Dordogne, near St Cyprien Posts 1,476 Re: Keeping Uk Residency? Do you live or have a house in France Dr Orloff, it always helps to give a location with your avatar, saves all sorts of speculation? Tony F Dordogne (24) Huguenot Trails    Report

19/04/2008, 8:20 Bugbear Joined on 15/11/2006 Vienne (86) Posts 3,685 Re: Keeping Uk Residency?  Tony F Dordogne wrote: Do you live or have a house in France Dr Orloff, it always helps to give a location with your avatar, saves all sorts of speculation? and what sort of Volvo you drive...........................   note: for non-bikers, in the days when Volvos killed more motorcyclists than any other car, they were known as OVLOV's (Volvo in your rear-view mirror) "Life is Short - Forgive Quickly - Love Truly - Laugh Uncontrollably"    Report

19/04/2008, 9:06 Moulin85 Joined on 23/09/2007 Posts 19 Re: Keeping Uk Residency? Most people don’t realise the volume of information today’s governments know about then make the old communist regimes appear pure armatures! There is no doubt the tax office know if a person should declare residency but the question is will they follow it up? The simple answer is ‘if it’s worth there while’. If you are an aged relative staying with a family on average income paying minimal tax, chances are you are worth very little to the government so there is no real incentive to go after you. If on the other hand your hosts contribute a reasonable amount to the exchequer there is every probability you are worth something and the government will want there share!    Report

19/04/2008, 9:19 bigears Joined on 16/07/2007 Posts 174 Re: Keeping Uk Residency? hi I'm with you Dr orloff, don't be too alarmed by the scaremongering.  Mind don't ever give the british taxman any cause to put you in the spotlight  There are some expats here in France taking huge liberties, not just a few days, or weeks over the 6 months and what happens to the majority of them?  I could give examples but I won't just in case these forums are monitored.   I would think that if there is a will both the french and uk authorities could track our bookings and by other means build up quite a picture of our movements.  Mind house useage information via utility bills doesn't prove who was there.  They cannot do this routinely for jo bloggs, they would surely need a very good reason to do that sort of investigation.  Searches for information cost money.  My advice don't give them any reason to do it.  What is wrong with a little bit of ducking and diving, is it as bad as a 'bad driver' who regularly exceeds speed limits?  For my part I can declare that I am totally above board and legal in every way.  Hopefully this will take some pressure of you Dr orloff whilst the 'experts' turn on me, and not for the first time.  Time to do some work renovating our maison secondaire.    Report

19/04/2008, 9:27 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,408 Re: Keeping Uk Residency?  Tony F Dordogne wrote: What you say is partially correct, why would anybody want to check on somebody's aged mother?  Until of course, something goes wrong and the EHIC card is invalidated because some bright spark puts two and two together and gets things right.  I can assure you that things like that do happen here, again from experience. That is the rub here.  Just recently (in the UK this time) a huge document has been circulated to NHS trusts, about the importance of establishing the residency of patients in the future.  Even to the extent that they are being asked to appoint a person specifically to deal with this.  In effect, rules are being put in place to ensure that anybody treated in a UK hospital (whatever their nationality) establishes their residency - and that doesn't just mean flashing a British passport or having a UK address - it involves giving clear proof that you actually live there if there is the smallest doubt. All over Europe, the rules are being tightened up and we know from recent events that the French government is very twitchy about this - not least because of their massive health budget deficit.  They will not now treat legitimate non-national residents any more, unless covered by an E form. There is no point in arguing with people who don't care to listen, but it seems only fair to answer the o/p's question as far as we can.  Then it is her decision. Talking of the o/p.... What happened to her, btw? Healthcare Issues Site    Report

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