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03/01/2008, 17:44 groslard Joined on 26/12/2007 Posts 255 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch  Russethouse wrote: Where ? T It is further discriminatory and illogical to penalize those who you actually have to support for 2 years less than other Europeans. Other Europeans pay for their Health care..    Report

03/01/2008, 17:49 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 7,597 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch Groslard - I understood your notes above referred to the post which was entitled "the Story so Far" and in the sub forum entitled "Changes to the Healthcare System CMU, Cartes Vitales" and was therefore intended as a summary of the rules and the way in which they affected people who were previously allowed to subscribe to the CMU as pre-retired non French European Union citizens. They are not intended as a summary of the French healthcare system - that is dealt with in the main Health forum and FHI have never had any input into that.  Therefore, having read the post again, I still do not believe that it is inaccurate, given its context. Likewise, the first sentence on our site says: "French Health Issues is committed to bringing you as up to date as we can with all the facts and news relating to changes to healthcare provisions for UK nationals, resident in France, or planning to move to France." It is not, and has never been, intended as a guide to the healthcare system in France - it is about ways of dealing with the new regulations and finding alternatives for those affected, and challenging the French Government's interpretation of European residency legislation - which it has used to bring in the new rules.  I don't believe anybody has said that the CMU is like the NHS, have they? But as said above, we rely on information received, so if you find any errors on the site, then do let us know. Healthcare Issues Site    Report

03/01/2008, 17:57 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 7,597 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch  groslard wrote:  Russethouse wrote: Where ? T It is further discriminatory and illogical to penalize those who you actually have to support for 2 years less than other Europeans. Other Europeans pay for their Health care.. Other Europeans who are early retired will generally be allowed to continue to pay into the CMU as they won't have had the "benefit" of E106s so they're mostly fine. btw, FHI is rather more accurate than the French health system's own website which continues to suggest that newly arrived non  French European pre retired citizens can still join the CMU if they wish!  Maybe you'd care to write to them too? Healthcare Issues Site    Report

03/01/2008, 18:07 Will Joined on 22/09/2004 Sussex & 50 (Mortainais) Posts 5,711 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch  groslard wrote: This is a UK problem, not a French one. How can it be? Britain hasn't changed anything - it's the French that have changed things, according to them, in line with European residence rules. In fact Britain is far more generous to its early retired by giving them a nominal two years of E106 cover. Few other countries offer that. Will intentionally blank signature http://www.vienormande.com    Report

03/01/2008, 18:30 groslard Joined on 26/12/2007 Posts 255 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch  Will wrote:  groslard wrote: This is a UK problem, not a French one. How can it be? Britain hasn't changed anything - it's the French that have changed things, according to them, in line with European residence rules. In fact Britain is far more generous to its early retired by giving them a nominal two years of E106 cover. Few other countries offer that. Well the problem is that Britain doesn't cover people between the end of the E106 and the start of the E121. That is a British decision . I personally am lobbying for the end of both these allowances, since they are illogical given that NHS cover is for people 'normally resident in the UK' I hope a future Government  will take the bull by the horns and cut off all allowances from people who have decided to cut  themselves off from Britain, and who are the only retirees in Europe who expect to have a first-class Health Service, into which they haven't paid all their working lives, and for which they don't pay now    Report

03/01/2008, 18:32 Cat Joined on 21/01/2005 ------- Forum Moderator ------- Lot Posts 4,366 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch Thank you for explaining your agenda Groslard, people will understand where you are coming from a little better now. Cathy Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.    Report

03/01/2008, 18:36 groslard Joined on 26/12/2007 Posts 255 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch It's not an "agenda" its logical. I have always detested freeloaders    Report

03/01/2008, 18:40 makfai Joined on 31/03/2007 Posts 306 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch  groslard wrote: It's not an "agenda" its logical. I have always detested freeloaders   I do not understand how people who contribute to the CMU on the same terms as other French residents and who pay local and national taxes are freeloaders.      Report

03/01/2008, 18:43 Bugsy Joined on 15/11/2006 Vienne (86) The Nice Bit Posts 5,664 Re: "French Health Issues" Website Launch  groslard wrote: I personally am lobbying for the end of both these allowances, since they are illogical given that NHS cover is for people 'normally resident in the UK' I hope a future Government  will take the bull by the horns and cut off all allowances from people who have decided to cut  themselves off from Britain, and who are the only retirees in Europe who expect to have a first-class Health Service, into which they haven't paid all their working lives, and for which they don't pay now You may like to take the trouble to do a little research on the facts regarding cross border funding before making such an incorrect, emotive and sweeping statement. "Don't have to be ashamed of the car I drive, I'm glad to be here, happy to be alive, It don't matter if you're by my side, I'm satisfied"    Report

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