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17/05/2008, 13:49

TroisChatNoir is not online. Last active: 10/10/2008 19:19:58 TroisChatNoir

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Big Smile [:D] Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ?

As a Restorative Stonemason the "built in the last two years" rule doesn't apply to me, the buildings I work on are mainly all pre war but it appears that TVA is still a moot point, along with every Devis is a copy of an attestation that the client signs to say the building is an Old building and the work is to repair & restore existing structures, anything new or an alteration to the original structure is subcontracted out to other artisans, all the other work is open to debate, an example is a job I've just completed which was to rebuild a collapsed portion of a building including the missing window, door & part of the roof and then repoint the whole, I used the existing stone which was lying around the place, repaired the door & window Jambs/Lintels with some reclaimed Oak from the barns, had a new Oak door made & put in new double glazed windows along with new petite tiles on the new roof timbers, the house is a bit like the tale of the fishermans knife which has had ten blades & 1 handle but it's basically still the same knife cos some of it is original and we are restoring it back to its original glory. the same supplier/client rule applies as per my original post therefore materials I supply can carry a surcharge but only 5.5% is charged to the client TTC on any invoice. If I subcontract myself to another Artisan I charge them 19.6% they claim it back on their TVA return but charge the client 5.5% TTC for my services otherwise TVA is being charged twice, as far as I am aware that is not strictly legal ....

my rates are the same as local French artisans and the amount of profit or choice of materials made is usually the difference between winning and losing a contract if it comes down to price! in my experience winning usually comes down to reputation from previous clients ...

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17/05/2008, 14:11

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Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ?

If you are getting involved in rebuilding walls then client must sign the full version of the certificate. Whether the work qualifies for 5.5 will then depend on the exact nature and the percentage of the existing structure which is affected.

http://www.pro-habitat.com/pdf/attestationnormale.pdf

As for your subcontract work the normal rules of VAT apply. You charge the full rate to the main contractor who will reclaim all of the tax you have charged.

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17/05/2008, 14:29

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Re: 5.5% or 19.6% ?

you are correct on all counts BJSLIV this form was supplied to me by my accountant 2 yrs ago.

my advice to anyone is to use qualified tradesmen with a good accountant then there should be no worries

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