Beware any group trying to impose their views on others. At best they are counter productive, and at worst destructive. Pubs are closing because they cannot make money while a lot of their dwindling customer base is standing outside. While others are spending a fortune trying to provide heat to their gardens.
We have for some years spent fortunes trying to stop people from trading and using recreational drugs. Any success?
As a libertarian I respect the rights of all individuals. If some one wants to open a restaurant that allows smoking that should be their right as is my right to choose if I want to eat there
As a side issue – in my view the greatest curse in life is extreme old age.
Joined on 13/09/2006
Surrey & 31 (near Boulogne sur Gesse)
Posts 584
Re: Smoking at Restaurants
allanb wrote:
PeterG wrote:
If people didn't smoke they would be healthier and live longer. The Government don't want this either, it would put a greater strain on the funding for state pensions, as people would be drawing them for longer.
I'm all in favour of the smoking ban, but I think we should also make all medical treatment illegal. This would eventually solve the pension funding crisis, because people would die sooner, and in the meantime it would significantly improve the financial position of the NHS, which wouldn't need to have any staff.
Two problems solved with one simple piece of legislation!
Yes, the NHS. I work for an Acute NHS Trust. It amazes me the number of patients standing outside the grounds (smoking is banned from NHS buildings and grounds) clutching their drip stand puffing away. Still it probably makes them feel a whole lot better!
Joined on 23/08/2004
Nr Carcassonne, 11
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Re: Smoking at Restaurants
I have never smoked and I mean never. Not an angel or owt, I just never wanted to.
I have no objections to anyone smoking anywhere they like, but I do object when they breath out!
My biggest objection to clowns who stand outside places smoking is when they just throw the ends on the floor and walk away and leave them there. Mind you these same mindless clowns throw packets, papers and general rubbish down as well most of the time! And before anyone starts, if you throw your cigarette end down then as far as I am concerned you are a stupid, unthinking clown! Easy really
I also feel the same way about clowns who don't clean up after their dogs, or cats!
John.
Long ago when men cursed and beat the ground with sticks, it was called witchcraft. Today, it's called golf.
I'm not a smoker and apart from a few Consulate (cool as a mountain stream )in my youth I never have been. I do get irritated by my mother who ignores the fact that smoking is a significant risk factor for osteoporosis, but apart from that all I ask is that smokers keep their smoke away from food, whether inside or out.......
www.quimperclub.org
As someone who smoked between 35 and 45 fags a day, I must say that I loathe the filfthy things. I detest the smell of them, and I now see the awful mentality of SOME smokers who, in a very small minority, complain because we dont want smoke next to near us. I went through months of near hell trying to get of the damn things and its was an awful time. Do any of you give a toss that you make it hard for those brave smokers who have, or are trying to, give the disgusting habit up. No, you are, most not all, too protective of your right to smoke to care.
1 smoker 10 people who dont want you to smoke near them. Who is the selfish ONE then........
Joined on 23/08/2004
Nr Carcassonne, 11
Posts 3,748
Re: Smoking at Restaurants
Russethouse wrote:
I'm not a smoker and apart from a few Consulate (cool as a mountain stream )in my youth I never have been. I do get irritated by my mother who ignores the fact that smoking is a significant risk factor for osteoporosis, but apart from that all I ask is that smokers keep their smoke away from food, whether inside or out.......
A nice piece of smoked mackerel goes down quite well though, but how do they keep it alight when it's so lovely and moist ?
You know what they say Ulster? There's nowt worse than a convert!!
Gardian, I recon that your thinking sounds more lke courtesy that self-righteousness?
John.
Long ago when men cursed and beat the ground with sticks, it was called witchcraft. Today, it's called golf.
Joined on 10/05/2009
Perth, Western Australia
Posts 8
Re: Smoking at Restaurants
UlsterRugby1999 wrote:
As someone who smoked between 35 and 45 fags a day, I must say that I loathe the filfthy things ... I detest the smell of them, and I now see the awful mentality of SOME smokers who, in a very small minority, complain because we dont want smoke next to near us
What's worse than a smoker? ... A reformed smoker. That's just hypocritical of you to say what you said. Did YOU care when you were smoking and people complained about it? I doubt it. Don't forget you also had that awful mentality when you lit up. You just kept puffing away and didn't think about it, and now you have the temerity to whine when someone smokes near you. What a hypocrite!
Who is the selfish ONE then........
That would be you. So 10 points for quitting, but minus several million points for condemning those who still smoke.
For the record, I smoke, but I also care enough NOT to smoke around people, especially those who are eating. So I don't light up after a meal, even at Al Fresco cafes where it is legal to do so. I always wait until I'm well away from people in general. So some smokers do have a sense of proprietry.
I was actually surprised to learn France had enacted the no smoking law in Restaurants, cafes etc. Smoking in a french cafe etc was the norm not so long ago. It was part of the french culture. But things change, and I'm sure many people eating inside can now appreciate their food a lot more.
Jonzjob wrote:
You know what they say Ulster? There's nowt worse than a convert!!
I actually missed this ... so yes, my post reflects what Jonzjob said ...
Time flies like an arrow ... Fruit flies like a Banana ... Le temps file comme une flèche … mouches à fruit comme une banane - G.Marx