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20/05/2008, 9:05 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Posts 3,102 Re: no tax in france Agrree 100% Andy, but there just does not seem to be the will on the part of the French tax people to do anything about it.  As others have said, we all know people who have been doing it for years without detection, in some cases making no secret of it.  I firmly believe that they while they may not necessarily get caught, no good ever comes of it and what goes around comes around. I did hear this morning that local authorities are being urged to do a massive crackdown on benefit fraud in the UK following an Audit Commission report, and after the exposure of  that Welsh football referee on IB for five years , who can blame them, however, it appears that housing benefit is the big "earner" I don't think you can claim that in France..............  can you???? Why not just post a sensible answer, people will appreciate it more    Report

20/05/2008, 10:52 sweet 17 Joined on 05/08/2006 charente maritime Posts 2,048 Re: no tax in france Andy, that was a most interesting post.  Not that these people will pay any attention if I did report your post to them verbatim. As for IB, let's just not go there because I shall really get hot under the collar with this one.  I know a chap and his wife who live here full time, does various odd jobs for the Brit expat contingent (all cash in hand of course) and no questions asked about ability or otherwise to do any sort of work. If they are in France, I suppose it's too much of a hassle to track them down for an assessment.  Before anyone with a real heath problem and are receiving IB legitimately and rightly start sending me hate mail, please don't get cross with me because I am not talking about you.    Report

20/05/2008, 11:07 Boiling a frog Joined on 06/09/2004 Charente 16 Posts 539 Re: no tax in france  Ron Avery wrote: Agrree 100% Andy, but there just does not seem to be the will on the part of the French tax people to do anything about it.  As others have said, we all know people who have been doing it for years without detection, in some cases making no secret of it.  I firmly believe that they while they may not necessarily get caught, no good ever comes of it and what goes around comes around. I did hear this morning that local authorities are being urged to do a massive crackdown on benefit fraud in the UK following an Audit Commission report, and after the exposure of  that Welsh football referee on IB for five years , who can blame them, however, it appears that housing benefit is the big "earner" I don't think you can claim that in France..............  can you????     http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7409024.stm         Boiling a frog    Report

20/05/2008, 14:15 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 2,964 Re: no tax in france You'd have only got flamed if you'd said that they were early retired teachers DWP WILL find them if they want to and even if they don't all they have to do is stop the benefit and wait for the howls of indignant anguish, but as you say, lets not get into that one now shall we............   My doctor said one drink per day, I can live with that !    Report

20/05/2008, 14:32 Patf Joined on 23/08/2004 SW Gers Posts 2,102 Re: no tax in france We came to France in April 2002 . We were sent Tax Fonc. bills quickly, but no Taxd'Hab. I called in at the local tax office and the Auch office too but no-one was interested. Asked about "income tax" too but weren't given forms. Eventually, I think it was mid 2004, we got the Tax d'Hab. bill, and some revenue forms to complete. There was no fine and they didn't backdate anything. We didn't deliberately avoid the taxman. Having said all that our tax was all payable in the UK so we only needed to make a declaration. My point is that you can be overlooked and there isn't necessarily a penalty .    Report

20/05/2008, 15:06 powerdesal Joined on 07/01/2006 Sharjah U.A.E Posts 2,024 Re: no tax in france  Patf wrote: We came to France in April 2002 . We were sent Tax Fonc. bills quickly, but no Taxd'Hab. I called in at the local tax office and the Auch office too but no-one was interested. Asked about "income tax" too but weren't given forms. Eventually, I think it was mid 2004, we got the Tax d'Hab. bill, and some revenue forms to complete. There was no fine and they didn't backdate anything. We didn't deliberately avoid the taxman. Having said all that our tax was all payable in the UK so we only needed to make a declaration. My point is that you can be overlooked and there isn't necessarily a penalty . Thats interesting, we have been trying for months to persuade the "powers that be" to send our Tax d'hab bill, and getting progressively more concerned about any penalty due to delay. First they claimed that we rented out our house - we dont (would it make a difference?). Then, following more telephone and written requests they eventually said OK we will send the bill......nothing. All I want to do is give them the money, how difficult should that be? Steve Sharjah + 50 (in France) ........................................................................... Roll on death.....Demob is too far away.    Report

20/05/2008, 15:14 Jane and Danny Joined on 23/08/2004 near Cahors, 46 Posts 705 Re: no tax in france  powerdesal wrote: First they claimed that we rented out our house - we dont (would it make a difference?). In normal circumstances, the tax d'habitation for the year is payable by whoever is living in the house on the 1st Jan that year. If it was rented out, it would be the tenant who would be liable, so it does make a difference. The tax foncier is payable by the owner regardless of who occupies it. Danny specialist flute repair    Report

20/05/2008, 15:29 powerdesal Joined on 07/01/2006 Sharjah U.A.E Posts 2,024 Re: no tax in france Thanks for the info. I still dont understand how they came to the "rented out" conclusion, we had paid taxe d'hab in the previous year. Steve Sharjah + 50 (in France) ........................................................................... Roll on death.....Demob is too far away.    Report

20/05/2008, 16:37 sweet 17 Joined on 05/08/2006 charente maritime Posts 2,048 Re: no tax in france Steve, we have the same problem. First of all no fonciere bill, went to the tax place and requested one.  Didn't send the bill for about 5 months after my visit.  I wasn't too concerned as I was given a fiche de visite so I could always prove that I'd gone there to ask for it. Had to do the same to try and get the habitation bill.  That was back in early March.  Still no bill but again, I have a fiche de visite so I feel I'm in the clear. Meanwhile some French friends are furious with me for going; they say that this is France and we don't do things like request bills!  "If you are due to pay anything, you will get a bill.  But, you do not go and volunteer to pay anybody anything until such times as you are requested to pay!"  Same advice from across the board, from my farmer-type retired neighbour to my French teacher who is a very well-educated and cultured liberal type. Seems like it's just us dumb Brits who worry about paying bills and taxes!    Report

20/05/2008, 16:56 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 2,964 Re: no tax in france Allegedly avoiding tax is a national sport with the French and they will always look on in curiosity and bemusement when someone volunteers to pay theirs. It no doubt adds to the illusion that we are all filthy rich. Personally I have a little saying; "It's OK to break the rules as long as you know them and are prepared to pay the consequences" Just as many Brits will know how to play the UK system to their advantage the French probably know every little dodge, quirk and wrinkle too but I doubt many Brits living in France are sufficiently well versed to play the same game   My doctor said one drink per day, I can live with that !    Report

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