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   21/10/2007, 10:20
Llwyncelyn is not online. Last active: 04/07/2007 10:39:32 Llwyncelyn

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Hi Sorry I had to rush off last night domestic upheaval involving animals.

Having read the judgment I think as does Tony that only part of DLA is capable of being exported and even now HMG does not truthfully have to follow it and indeed in the past there have been elements (as have France) of totally disregarding judgments.

I am going to read the judgment again later today do some research (Non means tested benefits 2006 Thompson Sweet and Maxwell which is the bible on such matters) and see where that takes me.

My view of all of this is that those of you who had the benefit (in whatever form and that is for the sake of avoidance DLA only) and this was then ceased on moving to France get an application pack from Blackpool.

Be very careful and if you have any copies of previous applications make sure that the story is a continuing one and that (and please forgive me) that there is continuity in your arguments.  If I were a betting man I would say that perhaps you will see some early signs of saying 'No' purely on the DLA front and that only on medical related grounds. I tend to be a cynic in such matters but if DLA was awarded in the past they really would be insane  now to say no.

If they say no then its to the Tribunal but I do not think it will get that far.

The overall cost to HMG is not even worth considering so its policy as against monetary considerations.

My view is to all of those who as I say lost the award on moving here to France is to set up the process once more.  Application pack (perhaps some details from your French medical history) plus a covering letter.

The letter should obviously be by recommande avec accuse de reception and should be plain and simple.

Perhaps something like  ' In view of the recent decision of the European Court of the............and which deals specifically with the concept of DLA payable in European Member countries I now enclose etc etc.

This letter together with the application pack has been send by International Recorded Delivery with a signature being needed (This sorts out the statement 'never had it') so its a presumption that they have had it.

The relevance and importance of the judgment is far-reaching and of considerable importance to myself as of course DLA was originally payable but ceased on my move to France in..............................

If my reading of the judgment is correct then DLA is payable to myself from .....................and I look forward to the payment of the arrears portion into my UK bank account and details of which are obviously in your possession as well as confirmation from you when this has been achieved as well as details of the commencement and payment of the new award.'

 

We all put letters together differently but try to encompass the above points and it would not be right for all letters coming from France to be somewhat stereotyped.

Finally my view is that only those who were awarded DLA in the UK can benefit from the judgment.  Those of us who are now resident in France must utilise the French system or go back and to see if you qualify!  However perhaps that is a step too far.

Again a just a small point those who can truly point to say a drug being available in France and which is means tested or NICE protected in the UK may equally try to argue that point or that facilities and the availability of facilities are here in France but not in the UK.

Hope this helps.

 


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   21/10/2007, 10:32
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Rides, as we email each other I bet that Blackpool are just wondering what to do and taking advice from those nice guys in Whitehall.  Policy will take some time to evolve so just keep at it.

Again Chairs of Tribunals are Lawyers and will have the book I suggested in front of them.  Not sure if abstracts of it are on the net?  They will struggle to work it all out for its new european law and these Chairs are paid nicely thank you so all of this will as I say take a little time.

Its a high cost book and its forgive me in legalise so I would not bother with it. Its difficult even for me sometimes to understand it.

Keep copies of everything and everything by recommande avec accuse de reception.

Normally law is never retrospective being considered bad law.  But this is different and there is a cut off point when people moved.  That is the argument for if you have been here for say two years or more the monetary considerations are large.  Please forgive me this money is absolutely due to those who are suffering and with the award making their lives easier to live.  That is the only concept that drives me.  It is not for jollies but to make life bearable and I will continue to argue that point for however long it takes.

 

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   25/10/2007, 13:10
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Despite the fact that only the Care Component part of DLA looks as if at last it will be reinstated - (I only received the Mobility Component as I was too stubborn to apply for the Care part)  - I have now completed the appeal form sent by DWP and it is winging its way across the sea as I write.  Unfortunatley my appeal is being sent 4 years after my DLA was stopped so I will lose out on all fronts by the look of things.  I'm not despondent though as the more pressure put on the DWP the better for all in the long term.

Perhaps the Mobility Component will be reinstated during my lifetime - what's left of it. 


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   25/10/2007, 13:50
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What I don't understand  is that the DLA knew very well that this issue was being discussed at the highest level and that Infringement Proceedings had begun , when they stopped our DLA. 

Though of course the Infringement Proceedings could have gone in their favour, I would have thought that the DLA dept would have had a duty to tell us that Infringement Proceedings had been commenced, when they stopped the DLA.

I had no idea what was happening in Europe, I just accepted it as a fact when the DLA said that it was not exportable . So much for transparency!


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   25/10/2007, 16:11
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Puzzled, how long ago did you stop getting DLA?
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   25/10/2007, 16:52
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   25/10/2007, 17:35
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Right, for the second time, I'll try this again:

Not long been off the phone with the DLA Office and their operative has said 'the rules are currently being rewritten but we don't know whether DLA will be back dated and if it is, how far'.

On the subject of appeals, there is a blanket stop on appeals after 13 months and there seems no indication that this rule will change.  So, all previous claimants will have to submit a new claim UNLESS they have left the UK in the last 13 months.

I'm suggesting the following - under 13 months, appeal.  Over 13 months, submit a new claim with a covering letter, plus ANOTHER letter appealing the original decision so they can't then say - 'we'll allow the new case but as you haven't appealed, you loose back benefits'.

And of course, the residency rules ensure that people who LIVE in France and have never claimed DLA from the UK remain unable to do so - to claim/appeal you have to have received the benefit in the UK prior to moving here, same as all the other UK benefits.

I've also contacted the Medical Benefits Section (the bit that issues the E121s) because the logical extension of the decision is that if DLA is a continuing and exportable benefit, recipients who do not receive IB should be issued with an E121.

The DLA Office staff have been asked to log details of those people making enquiries about the benefit.  So folks, on the phone, ask for the forms and register your details - as with the other health matters we're dealing with, let's get the campaign going now - it doesn't apply to me, I get an E121 anyway even tho I'm a mere youth but we may be able to help each other with this.


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   26/10/2007, 15:49
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OK, have spoken to an operative at the Medical Benefits Section in Newcastle today.

She confirmed that anybody with either a lifetime award of DLA OR a claimant who was receiving DLA PRIOR to June 1992 AND was receiving the higher level care element of DLA prior to their leaving the UK for another EU country would have been issued with an E121 had the MBS been asked to provide one.

The current position regarding DLA and the recent ruling is that the whole thing is being reviewed in light of the AG's decision but she agreed - not to be taken as gospel etc - that if IB is exportable and attracts an E121, then logically DLA, if exportable, should attract one also.

But it's a government department so who knows what their logic is - or isn't come to that.

My suggestion is - get the appeal and new claim in asap and if the DLA is awarded for the care element at any level, if you don't have an E121, bang in for one immediately, if you're on an E106/8/9 it may seriously harm your bank balance not to do so.


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   26/10/2007, 15:50
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Dear Tony well done superb piece of work

 

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