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05/05/2008, 8:30 oscar Joined on 28/02/2008 Posts 38 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  Rob Roy wrote: Rich1972 wrote: "I'm completely in support of the 'free at the point of use' ideology"   .........."As I said in my first post, I was planning on having a year off to fix my house up before working (I haven't got two-years NI contributions as I've been studying and have only worked for the last 12 months so I'll have to get full cover) but no problems are insurmountable!" You also stated in the other post that you are now 36 - never mind non-British EU residents, what about a few years contributions from yourself? Spot on Rob Roy!!!!  So Rich has been benefitting from years of study in the UK and now wants to leave and go and live in another country without putting anything back into the British system.  Perhaps you should have paid for your own education Rich?    Report

05/05/2008, 15:35 Scooby Joined on 25/09/2007 Peak District Posts 244 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  Tressy wrote: Oooh and while we're at it, why not exclude the children of the unemployed from education. I can't see either proposal working out too well. No point doing that - most exclude themselves!!  PS I agree with Richard re his healthcare proposals - in fact I would wholly support a move to an insurance based system for the UK. As an aside I have paid for my own education from the age of 16, I have worked full-time and at age 46 have completed 30 years fulltime employment (and so made 30 years of NI contributions) and, despite having a chronic health condition and three children, I have never claimed benefits and have paid privately (hence twice!) for most of my healthcare needs. If there was a greater correlation between use of the system and cost people (i.e. UK citizens) would maybe think twice before they abused the facilities.  Viz - not go to GP for common cough / cold, not turn up at A&E with minor injuries, use their local pharmacist more.    Report

05/05/2008, 15:43 Scooby Joined on 25/09/2007 Peak District Posts 244 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  woolybananasbrother wrote: Early retired French pensioners continue to pay full social charges I think (am I right here?) ,whereas early retired expat pensioners paid a flat rate of 8%. I understand that the French government wanted them to pay the same as the French but it all fell apart so hence the new dispensations. Exactly WB - not suprising the average french retiree is p****d off with the rich ex-pats!    Report

05/05/2008, 16:40 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,095 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  Scooby wrote:  woolybananasbrother wrote: Early retired French pensioners continue to pay full social charges I think (am I right here?) ,whereas early retired expat pensioners paid a flat rate of 8%. I understand that the French government wanted them to pay the same as the French but it all fell apart so hence the new dispensations. Exactly WB - not suprising the average french retiree is p****d off with the rich ex-pats! Exactly what?  Nobody in FHI  has the slightest idea what WBB is talking about, but no change there then So how would you know what the average French retiree thinks Scooby living in the Peak District of England?  I bet the French are not as *** off about so called rich ex pats as the Tykes are in Leeds at queue jumpers who use their wealth to get hospital treatment pushing aside more deserving cases who cannot afford or who are too ill to qualify for BUPA.  You didn't have to pay for your healthcare so don't moan about, it was your choice.  Just be grateful you live in a country where some politicians didn't put self interest first and actually cared about others who could not afford to go to hospital or even to a Doctor or dentist and provided a healthcare system available to all, irrespective of wealth. Ron in the Avey-ron    Report

05/05/2008, 18:03 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 9,485 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?   PS I agree with Richard re his healthcare proposals - in fact I would wholly support a move to an insurance based system for the UK.  Ahem - What do you think National Insurance is  ? Its hardly credible that a system that is envied by many other countries is getting this sort of criticism, and why, because it doesn't suit a few who have decided to move away.....   www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

05/05/2008, 18:07 Scooby Joined on 25/09/2007 Peak District Posts 244 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? I'm not moaning - tbh I think I got much better treatment privately - and whilst I can still work, I intend to continue to do so.  I just get p**'d off with the whingers who have far less health problems than I do but are too bone idle to get off their backsides and work...and use their illness as an excuse to scrounge.  I also get p**'d off with those who are either hyperchondriacs or who see a visit to their weekly visit to their GP as a valid 'social outing'.  (FYI my OH is a doctor and my daughter and sister are nurses - so it is 'an informed comment').    I think if more people in the UK had to cough up 30 euros for a visit to their doctor it would cut down some of the abuse of the NHS in the UK. Oh and I spend about a quarter of the year in France - and have lots of friends there so, yes, I hear their views on the wealthy Brit expats.       Report

05/05/2008, 18:25 KathyF Joined on 17/02/2007 Mid-Wales & Southern Manche (50) Posts 119 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  Russethouse wrote:   PS I agree with Richard re his healthcare proposals - in fact I would wholly support a move to an insurance based system for the UK.  Ahem - What do you think National Insurance is  ? Actually, RH, National Insurance isn't for the health service, but for pensions and other benefits, which is why you don't get a proper pension if you haven't paid enough contributions.   The NHS is funded from general taxation. There's an interesting bit of background here: http://www.open2.net/historyandthearts/history/theservice_welfare.html    Report

05/05/2008, 18:33 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 9,485 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? Thanks Kathy, I think I had been told that before but forgot..... www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

05/05/2008, 18:59 powerdesal Joined on 07/01/2006 Sharjah U.A.E Posts 2,010 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment?  KathyF wrote:  Russethouse wrote:   PS I agree with Richard re his healthcare proposals - in fact I would wholly support a move to an insurance based system for the UK.   Actually, RH, National Insurance isn't for the health service, but for pensions and other benefits, which is why you don't get a proper pension if you haven't paid enough contributions. or any pension at all if you cant quote your NI number and they cant find you in the archives, even though you know you have paid enough - but cant prove it. Steve Sharjah + 50 (in France) ........................................................................... Roll on death.....Demob is too far away.    Report

05/05/2008, 19:34 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,095 Re: Should the UK now bar non-British EU residents from free NHS treatment? Scooby said " I just get p**'d off with the whingers who have far less health problems than I do but are too bone idle to get off their backsides and work...and use their illness as an excuse to scrounge" With you 110%  there Scooby, nobody on here has mentioned the IB claimant who was a Welsh football assistant referee filmed running up and down the line at a match, (who said you cannot fiddle the IB assessment?) and the Scottish teacher who tried to claim IB because he was bald ( he must have been getting ready to move to France) "I also get p**'d off with those who are either hyperchondriacs or who see a visit to their weekly visit to their GP as a valid 'social outing'.  (FYI my OH is a doctor and my daughter and sister are nurses - so it is 'an informed comment').    I think if more people in the UK had to cough up 30 euros for a visit to their doctor it would cut down some of the abuse of the NHS in the UK". I agree and many people in the UK have suggested this but no sane politician of any party is going to put this forward as a policy as it would be jumped on by the media even the Daily Mail,  as a tax on the  sick and therefore political suicide.  Also, it would not work unless treatment by A&Es were also strictly controlled and managed and/or charged,  otherwise they would just be full up with those avoiding payment.  Turning people away from A&E would also be fraught with danger, which paramedic or casualty nurse or doctor is going to turn away anybody with a headache or a sore throat? The fee by the way in France to see a GP is 22€ Ron in the Avey-ron    Report

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