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13/02/2008, 12:01 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,440 Re: No health cover It would be fair to say that very few people are getting a positive response from anywhere.  The worry is that the December statement has been in force now for approaching two months, and is not being implemented (as you discovered yourself).  The new statement to CPAMs only alters the ruling for E106 holders - existing CMU subscribers should not have been having problems for weeks!  As you know, we understand that this was the result of internal disputes between CNAM and the Ministry.  Unless CLEISS are informed of all the individual cases, the Ministry will assume that things are happening - when they are not.  Whilst I realise that bureaucracy takes a while to work - and in that I fully agree, rushing to your CPAM every day is probably counter-productive - what really IS important is that somebody in authority at the ministry, realises that there continue to be problems.  For that reason, it is important to contact CLEISS so that they appreciate the extent of the problem. Likewise, please continue to report these to us (pm me with details) so I can pass the info' on to the Embassy, and post on Jim Murphy's blog: http://blogs.fco.gov.uk/blogs/jim_murphy/archive/2008/02/01/16034.aspx Whilst I applaud everybody's attempts to allow the authorities to sort out the most urgent cases first (and at CPAM level this is most critical), I also believe it is dangerous to assume that this will just happen if one sits back and waits.  History tells a quite different story. Healthcare Issues Site    Report

13/02/2008, 12:08 minnie Joined on 04/01/2008 Posts 29 Re: No health cover We are E106 January expirees.  We have today received a letter from CPAM AGEN dated 8 February rejecting our application to join CMU.  Text of the letter below (verbatim within the quotes): "Je vous informe qu'après examen de votre demande, il apparaît que vous ne pouvez être affilié auprès de la Caisse Primaire. Votre situation personnelle n'entre pas dans le cadre prévu pour bénéficier de la couverture maladie universelle (CMU). Vous devez en conséquence vous adressez à l'organisme privé de votre choix en France ou à l'étranger pour bénéficier d'une protection d'assurance maladie. Les textes prévoient en effet que pour bénéficier du droit à résidence sur le territoire français suffisantes à votre arrivée en France. SERVICE P.R.A.S.S. Article 23 de la loi No. 2006-911 du 24 juillet 2006 du code l'entrée et du séjour des étrangers et du droit d'asile:  Dans son art. L121-1 (paragraphe 2 )" NOT MUCH TRICKLING DOWN HERE THEN.      Report

13/02/2008, 12:25 Boiling a frog Joined on 06/09/2004 Charente 16 Posts 652 Re: No health cover  cooperlola wrote: It would be fair to say that very few people are getting a positive response from anywhere.  The worry is that the December statement has been in force now for approaching two months, and is not being implemented (as you discovered yourself).  The new statement to CPAMs only alters the ruling for E106 holders - existing CMU subscribers should not have been having problems for weeks!  As you know, we understand that this was the result of internal disputes between CNAM and the Ministry.  Unless CLEISS are informed of all the individual cases, the Ministry will assume that things are happening - when they are not.  Whilst I realise that bureaucracy takes a while to work - and in that I fully agree, rushing to your CPAM every day is probably counter-productive - what really IS important is that somebody in authority at the ministry, realises that there continue to be problems.  For that reason, it is important to contact CLEISS so that they appreciate the extent of the problem. .   According to your own website the December statement was delayed and never reached CPAM,s ,well that is according to the Dutch Embassy Paris, january 30 2008. The Dutch embassy has received messages from Dutch citizens who are currently insured via CMU, still didn’t receive a message from the CPAM, that the letter stating that their insurance would end effective april 1st 2008, has been withdrawn. Furthermore it became clear that many CPAM’s aren’t aware of the fact that a letter with this content is underway. The embassy contacted the management of the Securité Sociale in Paris. They have pointed out that after releasing the statement about the retroactivity of the new regulation, still a question remained about a certain group of British citizens living in France, which had caused a delay in their briefing towards the CPAM’s. These matters seems to have been cleared and the CPAM’s will be advised shortly. The management of the Securité Sociale has asked the Dutch embassy once again to ensure the Dutch citizens living in France, that the regulation as stated on their website shows the current situation and that they don’t have to worry.   It seems that the Securiy social are giving you different info from that they are giving to the Dutch. If the statement by the Dutch is true then the only statement that CPAM,s will now be in receipt of is the one on the Securite Social website of 8th Febuary and that will therefor take some time to filter down I wonder just how many if any CPAM,s have so far implemented the rules.I know you state that 2 or 3 have but is it just that they are accepting applications because it is the line or least resistance when faced with irate anglais thrusting printouts from the internet at them.The only way to be sure and certain that one is in CMU is to receive the attestation. from CPAM.         Boiling a frog    Report

13/02/2008, 20:10 Sunday Driver Joined on 07/10/2005 Deux Sevres (79) Posts 3,172 Re: No health cover There still appears to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the position here. As BaF says, the only instructions the CPAM will have received are the original one saying 'all out' and Friday's saying 'all back in'.  The December revision which permitted people to remain in the CMU was held back by the DSS because of the unresolved situation regarding the E106 holders.   That means that every application or appeal so far has been correctly rejected because as far as the CPAMs are concerned, that has been the official position up until Friday.  It's not the CPAMs who are to blame for the delays - it's the DSS, and they are fully aware of what is happening. If CLEISS have been given the incorrect impression that individual CPAMs are refusing to implement the rules, then I think we're going to end up with a lot of egg on our face.  In fact, I'm surprised that CLEISS aren't aware of the communication situation - the Dutch Embassy asked the DSS about it, so why haven't they? Once the Friday update has been disseminated through local CPAM staff procedures, the letters will come spewing forth.  Some CPAMs have already kicked off...     Waddya mean it's only Saturday......    Report

18/02/2008, 18:20 Emily Stein Joined on 18/02/2008 Posts 1 Re: No health cover Hi There, My name is emily Stein and I am working for the current affairs department at the BBC in London. I am really keen to speak to expats to find out more on how expats loosing healthcare situation in France is affecting people. If you wouldn't mind having a chat with me please email me   Feel free to forward this email on to anyone you think may be interested.. Big thankyou.. Post edited by mod, please use the forum email system to contact Emily    Report

18/02/2008, 19:34 Compo Joined on 23/08/2004 Posts 731 Re: No health cover Hi Emily, I will be pleased to talk to you. I have emailed you with a perspective on the situation that many researchers have overlooked. I look forward to hearing from you... Mel    Report

19/02/2008, 11:48 makfai Joined on 31/03/2007 Posts 304 Re: No health cover  Mel wrote: Hi Emily, I will be pleased to talk to you. I have emailed you with a perspective on the situation that many researchers have overlooked. I look forward to hearing from you... Mel   Any chance you would let us in on the 'secret' of what has been missed?    Report

19/02/2008, 12:34 Maricopa Joined on 01/10/2007 Minervois, Hérault Posts 331 Re: No health cover mafkai look back at mel's post on page 1 or 2 of this thread Maricopa    Report

23/02/2008, 19:46 aj_dr Joined on 23/08/2004 Posts 135 Re: No health cover Thanks Cooperlola for your posting of the 13/2......my friend phoned CLEISS and was told to send an e-mail to their legal dept. To date she hasn't had a reply but I expect they have a mountain of work!! In the meantime she phoned the English speaking help-line who confirmed that she could join CPAM. They sent her very promptly some more forms and suggested she sent everything to La Rochelle. As she didn't want to post Birth or Marriage certs we went over there yesterday. The main office which she had the address to send things to wouldn't help and suggested we went to 1 of 3 CPAM offices. We picked the one in the City centre and found a very helpfuly young lady. Initially she said that we had to go to Saintes but when we explained the reception that we had had there she agreed to deal with it for us. The outcome is that all forms completed and all copies of paperwork taken. We were advised that she should receive an Attestation in 3 weeks!!......and for a bonus she told us that she would be able to claim for the medical expenses that she had paid since her E106 expired. We'll see what happens. aj    Report

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