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09/05/2008, 18:45 puppycloud Joined on 09/05/2008 Posts 16 Re: Balanced Forum  Cat wrote: Perhaps you should ask the forum owners, Archant, who provide and fund the forum?  What an interesting comment.  Have you by any chance read George Orwell?  My impression was that this was a site which invited open and fair debate about all things French and France with a particular bent upon UK people who live or aspire to live here.  Are you saying that we must seek approval from Archant on what we discuss because they pay for the site?  I read the rules when applying and they say nothing of this.  Provided a statement is fair, non insulting and so on it should be published. Please could you clarify this for me and any others who may be confused.   I wonder how much the Director of Oxfam is paid... How many wells would that dig?    Report

09/05/2008, 18:48 puppycloud Joined on 09/05/2008 Posts 16 Re: Balanced Forum  Russethouse wrote: I think its great to have a balanced view, and thats the key word 'balanced'  Plenty of critical posts are allowed, about all sorts of things, there is a fine line between posting logical criticism and spamming ! And yet finer between moderation and censorship.... I wonder how much the Director of Oxfam is paid... How many wells would that dig?    Report

09/05/2008, 18:49 puppycloud Joined on 09/05/2008 Posts 16 Re: Balanced Forum  Cat wrote: It wasn't your fault powerdesal, we have had (as you may have noticed) a bit of trouble this afternoon.   Cathy, before joing I followed that thread and by 'trouble' do you mean someone complaining about the jokes breaching guidlines... basically being a little racist?  Say it how it is or don't say it at all.  I wonder how much the Director of Oxfam is paid... How many wells would that dig?    Report

09/05/2008, 18:51 puppycloud Joined on 09/05/2008 Posts 16 Re: Balanced Forum  Dick Smith wrote: Yes. But not when the offensive jokes were posted...   Quite right Dick and the chap who protested strongly and eventually had them removed was.... guess what.... banned from the site.... He is my son.... Guess I may now be guilty by association... I hope not I wonder how much the Director of Oxfam is paid... How many wells would that dig?    Report

09/05/2008, 18:53 puppycloud Joined on 09/05/2008 Posts 16 Re: Balanced Forum  Russethouse wrote: The report button was always there....   Funny that... Why the extreme enthusiasm when moderating on ryanair and the reliance on us to press the reject button when dealing with serious breaches of policy ...re racial and sexual content of jokes...    I know I can't win... This is just a discussion but watch my posts get pulled   I wonder how much the Director of Oxfam is paid... How many wells would that dig?    Report

09/05/2008, 18:55 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 10,144 Re: Balanced Forum If you post here you have to abide by the Code of Conduct : Please do not advertise or post your personal details, products or services on the message boards. Any advertising without permission will be removed. Please choose your words carefully when posting a message. It is difficult to obtain the tone of written messages unlike when speaking to someone. Please keep to the topic of the original thread and do not start more than one thread about the same topic in different sections. This will help users to locate the information that they are looking for and will save space on the servers. There is to be no 'naming and shaming' on the site. If you have any complaints about particular individuals/companies then contact the relevant parties or authorities. Users must not post messages which: Are insulting, abusive, racist, sexist, or derogatory in any way to others, whether they are individuals or companies, users of the Forum or not. This includes material sent via personal e-mails through this forum. Threaten, intimidate, victimise or harass others. Make libellous comments about individuals or companies, including Living France magazine and FRANCE magazine. Contain explicit language or vulgarities (whether written in French, English or any other language) Impersonate or represent any person or entity in an attempt to deceive, harass or otherwise mislead another member. Incite illegal activity Infringe intellectual property rights Transmit any material that you don't have the right to transmit under law (such as copyright or trade secrets) Link to and/or references content not allowed under these guidelines. Use the service in a manner deemed inappropriate by Archant Impede or disrupt the flow of the discussions in the Forum   www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

09/05/2008, 18:56 puppycloud Joined on 09/05/2008 Posts 16 Re: Balanced Forum  Russethouse wrote:  Deby wrote: Just thought I would add - my thread seems to have been hi-jacked.  I didn't see the joke thing which is being referred to here.The subject to which I am referring to is what I have noticed across all subjects. An example would be the LHD thread - someone asked whether a  company was worth dealing with.  This was responded with a reminder of be aware of naming and shaming.  My point is by saying someone is not reputable is or not recommended is certainly not naming and shaming. I would also welcome what other posters think, not just Moderator bias. Clarification on this point would be helpful by the Moderators once they have listened to other posters opinions. Deby I think you really do have to take that up with Forum Admin or Archant. Whether someone is reputable or not, is often a matter of opinion. If you had a bad experience with a customer and they posted x,y and z about you, it may not be unreasonable for you to feel aggrieved. I don't think Archant have, or want to have the resources to get into any sort of refereeing role, nor be sued for defamation etc, so there is a blanket rule to protect the company and other people too.  On the contrary, provided you relay the facts accurately it is for the reader to infer from the post what he or she will.  It is not in my opinion for moderators to lend their often bias opinion and then expect all others to concur... Just my opinion of course.  On the whole moderators do a difficult and good job... But why spoil that but not realising that some of your contibutors have good points and should be allowed to make moderate critisism and discuss moderating on this site.   Sorry bout spelling ...  Bit thick me. I wonder how much the Director of Oxfam is paid... How many wells would that dig?    Report

09/05/2008, 19:13 puppycloud Joined on 09/05/2008 Posts 16 Re: Balanced Forum  Russethouse wrote: There is to be no 'naming and shaming' on the site. If you have any complaints about particular individuals/companies then contact the relevant parties or authorities.   I am not arguing and can see these rules were drafted by minds vastly superior to my own little mass of wobbly stufff.  I would say though that this rule, if taken as an absolute rule precludes all statments, negative or otherwise, being made.  This not only means that one may not name a company but also suggests one may not make obvious the name of a company. No problem with that.  But would the moderators like to check the thousdands of posts which mention Tiscali, Wanadoo, Orange, The water company, EDF, BA, and so on and so on... Be realistic modorator, don't quote the rules as though they are cast in stone.   Plainly some degree of common sence must be applied.  There is often just cause to 'have a go at' one or another company provided there is nothing OTT said.  Companies like Ryanair are big and VERY robust and can take it. I do agree that personal attacks on people should always be pulled... always.    We all have a moan from time to time about ASDA or cornflakes etc so please don't try to inhibit that... You will ruin your site if you do.   Anyone agree with me? I wonder how much the Director of Oxfam is paid... How many wells would that dig?    Report

09/05/2008, 19:15 Cat Joined on 21/01/2005 ------- Forum Moderator ------- Lot Posts 3,482 Re: Balanced Forum You do seem to know a lot for a new poster puppy cloud.  Cathy Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.    Report

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