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   11/03/2008, 20:59
nimportequoi is not online. Last active: 25/06/2008 14:20:43 nimportequoi

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Quillian, are you sure that gite owners had to register with the Mairie by Dec 2007 - I thought it was only B&B/Ch d'hôtes. If you have a link that includes gite owners in that legislation, can you let me know?
Clair, does that mean you didn't have the Cmévacances inspection? They still allow you to link?  I'm not registered with Clévacances or Gde F and have no wish to do so in the future. What Quillian is suggesting about inspections is something I've not heard of and I don't see how it could be enforced.

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   11/03/2008, 21:23
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Clair, does that mean you didn't have the Cmévacances inspection?
They still allow you to link?  I'm not registered with Clévacances or Gde F and have no wish to do so in the future. What Quillian is suggesting about inspections is something I've not heard of and I don't see how it could be enforced.

The property was inspected by a guy from the préfecture. It took about a year from my request to the inspection.
Details here: http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/547301/ShowPost.aspx

I contacted the mairie first, I was given a form to complete and they sent it on to the préfecture, although there was a lot of pressure from the local tourist office to go with CV, as the rating would be done very quickly. But I did not see any poin t in joining CV as, at the time, I was getting more weeks booked via my website and listings than any local CV registered properties, and I did not see any ppoint in paying an annual fee to be listed with them.

The inspection cost €50 and is valid for 5 years.
I was given a registration certificate and a ref #, which I quote on my listings/ads and which is required by the tourist offices if I want to leave my leaflets/cards.
With that registration, I can also put a link to my website on the Lot tourism website, which would not be accepted without an official rating.

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   12/03/2008, 9:08
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It is and will be enforced by the nature that you must register with your prefecture (via your Mayor).  The new registration form covers Gite and B&B as well as other types of accomodation. It has a CERFA number so search the forum for cerfa and you will probaby find the link. At some stage (after you have registered) the tourist office will contact you with all the information you require and tell you what to do. I don't see that we should do all the research for you, its what you should have done before you started your Gites. The clever bit that makes you register, and you must read it properly, is the bit about cleaning and supplying beding and towels.

Clair (or was it Cat, I don't remember) gave a link to three documents, one for B&B's, one for TDH and the other for Gites. I am not going to scrabble round finding them again for you, you can do that yourself. I did download copies and this is the basic one for Gite. You will have to translate it yourself. There is another document which like the one for B&B's gives far more detail and tells you the fines and penalties you can suffer for not meeting the minimum requirements. It also tells you how to get grants to help 'modernise' your Gite to meet those requirements. Just because you have not done your homework does not mean they do not exist. In France it's your responsibility to go look for them.

Let me say again that nobody is forcing you to downgrade your Gites. I am sure they are way above the minimum requirment needed. The idea is to enure that there are minimum standards for all.

The reason I mentioned that the tourist office inspection is the same as Clevacances is because the Office of Tourism runs Clevacances as the Dept of Agriculture (I think thats the right government body, feel free to correct me if I am wrong) runs GDF. Both are run by government departments. So if you are going to be inspected you might as well pay the small difference (about 20 Euros) and have the full Clevacances inspection. Since 2006 (when GDF lost their court case for restricted practices) you may be a member of both Clevacances and GDH.

I. CONDITIONS D'ÉTABLISSEMENT

A. Conditions tenant aux locaux

1. Lieu d’implantation

Le gîte rural doit être situé dans une zone rurale à vocation touristique. Il peut se trouver à l’intérieur ou à l’extérieur d’un bourg.
Il est impérativement d’un usage totalement indépendant . les immeubles en copropriété sont donc exclus. En outre, l’extérieur du bâtiment doit en principe correspondre aux spécificités de la région.
Les occupants doivent disposer d’espaces extérieurs (par exemple : balcon, emplacement de stationnement de véhicules, jardin, terrasse).

2. Équipements

Le gîte doit, au minimum, être doté :
- d’une salle commune meublée ;
- d’une cuisine, ou d’un coin cuisine aménagé dans la salle commune, comprenant au moins un évier, une cuisinière, un réfrigérateur, une table et des chaises en proportion de la capacité d’accueil, un placard et tous les ustensiles nécessaires ;
- d’une salle d’eau comprenant au moins un lavabo et une douche ;
- de toilettes intérieures ;
- d’une (ou plusieurs) chambre(s) indépendante(s) équipée(s) d’un lit et de meubles ;
- de l’électricité, de l’eau potable courante (chaude et froide) ainsi que d’un moyen de chauffage ;
- de moyens permettant le lavage, le séchage et le repassage du linge.
L’ensemble de l’équipement doit être en bon état afin de garantir la sécurité des occupants. Les meubles doivent, en principe, présenter un caractère rustique.

Remarque :
d’autres conditions peuvent être imposées en cas :
- d’adhésion à un réseau .
- d’exploitation d’un gîte spécialisé (par exemple, gîte d’enfants).

3. Aides financières

Le Conseil général de département peut octroyer, sous conditions, des subventions aux exploitants de gîtes ruraux. Elles sont accordées uniquement pour financer les frais de travaux d’aménagement ou de rénovations.
Des subventions régionales, voire européennes pour les zones défavorisées, peuvent également être octroyées.

B. Conditions tenant à l’exploitant

1. Statut juridique

L’exploitant d’un gîte rural n’est soumis à aucun statut professionnel spécifique.
Cependant, l’activité de location de gîtes ruraux devient commerciale lorsqu’elle s’accompagne de prestations de service d’hôtellerie (par exemple : nettoyage du gîte, fourniture du linge de maison, accueil de la clientèle, etc.) et/ou de prestations de service de loisirs (par exemple : location de VTT). Une immatriculation au registre du commerce et des sociétés (RCS) est alors obligatoire si l’activité est exercée à titre de profession habituelle (c’est-à-dire de manière répétitive dans le but d’en tirer des profits). En revanche, si cette activité est occasionnelle, ponctuelle ou exceptionnelle, elle ne confère pas la qualité de commerçant et ne donne pas lieu, en principe, à immatriculation au RCS. 

Lorsque seule l’activité de location immobilière est exercée, l’exploitant doit toutefois s’adresser au centre des impôts. En fonction du chiffre d’affaires réalisé dans le cadre de cette activité et des autres revenus de l’exploitant, le régime fiscal des loueurs en meublé peut trouver à s’appliquer (voir la fiche
Le loueur en meublé).

2. Promotion et réservation

L’exploitant peut commercialiser l’occupation de son gîte en dehors de tout circuit organisé. L’appartenance à un réseau facilite l’accès à des moyens de promotions et de publicité.

a) Exploitant non adhérent d’un réseau

 Il doit :
- gérer seul la promotion et les réservations (confirmation, désistement, etc.) de son gîte ;
- en assurer la publicité par une signalisation (notamment en bordure de route et aux extrémités des villages) à l’aide de panneaux commercialisés par la direction départementale de l’équipement.

b) Exploitant adhérent d’un réseau

Il doit :
- commercialiser son gîte par l’intermédiaire du service de réservation du réseau qui se chargera directement de la gestion de la clientèle, des contrats, de la facturation ainsi que de la comptabilité ;
- apposer le panneau du réseau auquel il appartient à l’entrée de son bâtiment.

3. Assurances

L’exploitant d’un gîte rural doit informer son assureur de la mise en location saisonnière d’un logement touristique ainsi que des activités complémentaires qu’il pourrait proposer dans le cadre de l’exploitation.
Pour de plus amples informations, vous êtes invité à consulter le site du Centre de documentation et d’information sur l’assurance (CDIA) :
www.ffsa.fr ou à écrire au 26, boulevard Haussmann, 75311 PARIS CEDEX 11

C. Classement du gîte

L’exploitant qui désire mettre en location un logement, à l’occasion des vacances, peut obtenir son classement préfectoral. Il figurera alors sur la liste des meublés de tourisme.


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   12/03/2008, 9:34
nimportequoi is not online. Last active: 25/06/2008 14:20:43 nimportequoi

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Quillan,
thankyou for your help. Of course I've seen that document before and of course my gites conform to it. Please don't lecture me about doing my homework as I've been running a very successful gite business for several years and am fully registered with the ch de com. Nowhere, on any forum, have I seen that locations meublés are included in the B&B registration that you are talking about and I've just checked with my Mairie and they have confirmed this. It concerns me that you, as a moderator,are writing totally misleading information on this forum. The business of locations meublés is different in many ways to that of ch d'hôte, perhaps you should confine yourself to the B&B forum in future.
Sorry to the original poster about the thread creep.

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   12/03/2008, 17:11
Thebiga is not online. Last active: 02/12/2008 09:21:17 Thebiga

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 ITF, Thanks for apologies for the thread creap at least someone knew how the thread started.

I would say to the moderator that turning or allowing threads to turn into an argument is not really very good.

Perhaps we could get back on track about poor bookings, Unless of course everyone is fully booked? It would be nice if everyone was but I don't think that is the case. If people further down are fully booked its possible that its because they had enough money to buy that far down but I'm afraid we didn't. So we have to put up with are small piece of Loire Atlantique but we love it anyway.

I think a space should be put on the forum for a good old rant as I think it needs it. 


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   12/03/2008, 17:20
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We are booked for the July and August weeks and also have April and June bookings, which are a welcome bonus.
Booking-wise, our worst summer was in 2006.
We have noticed that our holiday-makers have been mainly French and Belgian over the last 2 years and that they are booking much much earlier than they used to.

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   12/03/2008, 17:25
nimportequoi is not online. Last active: 25/06/2008 14:20:43 nimportequoi

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Thebiga, I agree, it isn't very professional of the moderator to be as rude as they were on this thread, it doesn't set a very good example.

Re bookings - mine are OK here in Brittany too, even a bit better because of the early Easter, so I'm not sure that being further south is the only advantage. Sometimes being closer to the channel ports with less driving can help, particularly in April/May and September when people don't usually book more than a week at a time.

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   13/04/2008, 10:31
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I think a lot of the problem is due to the falling pound, the exchange rate is as low as €1.11 at some dealers. For ourselves we booked our holiday last year when the euro was still fairly high, we have a strict budget for holidays and the weak pound means we will not be able to spend as much as we would have liked whilst we are in France. There was a report on TV last week saying that a meal for two would cost roughly £7 more this year...........fuel has risen out of all proportion, we are travelling right down through France to the south near Adge, although we have a small car which is very econimical fuel and tolls are going to take up almost half our budget.....we also have 4 night booked in village B & B's to break the journey into manageable chunks.

We are francphiles, visiting as often as we can afford to do.............( we wanted to live there but the 3 tries we had all ended in heartbreak) right now people in the UK are loking at staying at home, the exchange rates bring a UK holiday almost on par.


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   13/04/2008, 11:04
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America and South Africa are good value for money for UK holiday takers - Europe isn't great for the finances at present, having said that I can remember holidaying in France when the exchange rate was around 8/8.5 francs to the pound, and it had been near 10 the year before, so I guess there is a core of people who will come, come what may.
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