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   05/05/2008, 8:47
Clair is not online. Last active: 01/07/2008 18:46:50 Clair



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They also call him le bouffon (no translation required, I expect).

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   05/05/2008, 9:14
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 Cathy wrote:

Question to the Forum:  If Ken Livingston had run again as an independent and not representing the Labour Party, do you think that he would have won the election?

 

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   05/05/2008, 9:40
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 Cathy wrote:

Question to the Forum:  If Ken Livingston had run again as an independent and not representing the Labour Party, do you think that he would have won the election?

Good question, on the Politics show and on the news after the results were announced they did a straw poll and the feeling was that they would not. Some actually said they would have voted for anyone else other than him.

I would like to ask the question another way round, would you have voted for a Labour mayor if it were not Ken?


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   05/05/2008, 10:58
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 Quillan wrote:

Question to the Forum:  If Ken Livingston had run again as an independent and not representing the Labour Party, do you think that he would have won the election?

Ken's shennanigan's over funding minority groups hasn't helped his cause regardless of any political affiliation.  Whilst voting for Boris (as voting for the Tories or LibDems in the local council elections) was certainly a protest against the incomptence of Labour, the final straw being the 10p tax debacle, I think there was definitely the feeling that it was time for change. I think it was a judgement on Ken and his recent behaviour rather than the fact that he was also the Labour choice.  It was always a choice between Ken or Boris, none of the others realistically stood any chance.  The mayoral race was (is) always about personalities rather than party allegiance - and has been since the job of mayor was created. 

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   05/05/2008, 12:51
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 Clair wrote:
They also call him le bouffon (no translation required, I expect).

That name rings a bell - no, it can't have been Boris the outcast, surely Big Smile [:D]


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   05/05/2008, 12:53
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If it is him, he's well and truly "in" now!!

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   05/05/2008, 12:55
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Eeeek! He's not here in France is he Woot! [:-))]  

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   05/05/2008, 13:06
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The new Mayor of London and the new President of France will get on well. As they both have a taste for the liquid stuff.
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   05/05/2008, 13:27
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On the contrary, President Sarkozy is a teetotaller. Drinking doesn't seem to be one of his vices (apart from the one off, well-documented  but controversial "episode").

Mind you, Hitler was vegetarian. So these "virtues" are relative.


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   05/05/2008, 15:44
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 Ron Avery wrote:

Corr I haven’t read so much inaccurate rubbish since the last time I read an Evening Standard on the train cut into strips and hanging on a hook in the toilet.  I don't want to spoil a good yarn with facts Nectarine but you said "They couldn't drive in to London  -  why not vans are not banned from London. 

and suburban train services can be patchy in the evenings and at weekends) not sure what that has to do with van man doesn’t he work in the day? But anyway, perhaps the next time you see your white van man you can tell him the Congestion charge does not actually apply in the evening or at weekends

From TfL site" You do not have to pay the charge on weekends, English public holidays, designated non-charging days, or between 18:00 and 07:00"

 Livingstone did not beat van man around the head, or ban him from central London, he was never going to use the bus or train anyway, he just told him if you want to come into central London and pollute the streets and air, then pay for it or go around London on the M25 or up Park lane.

Too right Betty, Quillan is another one who is short on facts and woefully out of date, if he wasn't he would know that there are as many buses on the road in the Capital now than since the bus strike in 1958, and all put in place before the congestion charge was put in, plus many special school buses on many routes in London, which had  been the situation around the capital for many years.

Of course all those shops have really gone out of business due to the congestion charge, those lines of cars parking outside on yellow lines on their way through London to work  buying their papers and groceries have been forced to go elsewhere, or had use the bus or tube.  Of course the downturn in retail has nothing to do with a drop in retail sales across the whole country and the fact that many of those shops were just uncompetitive and out dated and been priced out of the market by Tesco Metros, far easier to blame the congestion charge, which by the way Boris Johnson has said he will keep. So why did van man want to vote for the Mayor exactly?

Quillan, why people at TfL should lose their jobs just because there is a new Mayor is beyond me, why should they?  What exactly have they done that warrants the sack of generally hard working and conscientious people whose overall policies and finances were dictated by City Hall?

 It was not so long ago that a certain candidate to be Mayor told everybody that the Directors of London Underground were totally incompetent and he would sack them all if he became Mayor, well he did and he didn’t, only two left, both for better positions, perhaps they were doing a good job after all.

White van man is a generic term as you well know and is usually used to refer to vans that are privately owned but working for courier services. I think what was really meant was things like vans used by builders, plumbers, electricians etc where the cost of entering London has to be added to the price which effectively overprices them in comparison to those who live inside the congestion charge area who receive a 90% discount which as you know is on the TFL website.

With regards to School buses, there are no dedicated school buses other than those operated by private schools. There are however extra bus's laid on during certain times which are called school bus's but can actually be used for anyone "These normally provide morning journeys in the direction shown, with return journeys in the afternoon, during school term only. Although available to all passengers, timetables are designed in accordance with school requirements and services are liable to alteration or cancellation on an ad hoc basis.” The main idea behind them is to help others that use bus's to get to work because people have complained about buses rammed with kids being noisy etc and they can't get on because there is no space. What I am talking about is bus's that are used purely to take kids to school and go no further than the school. It is clear that some extra  There are currently 64  such extra bus's run by FL and a further 59 run privately (might be out by one or two as I had to actually count them).

I should rather hope that there are more bus's being run since 1958 in London since it has increased in size quite a bit since then.

As for getting rid of the congestion charge you are probably right, they have not even paid for it yet and the money has to come from somewhere. I believe that was the reason given recently when Ken was asked why the money does not go towards increasing and improving the public transport system.

As to cars parked outside shops in bus lanes and/or on yellow lines I think you are a little over exaggerating because on all my visits to London (the last and 3rd this year was a few weeks back) I saw very few. Also, people go to Tesco, Morrisons etc because their is free parking, or more to the point parking (I am talking about Chalk Farm and Camden).


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