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22/04/2008, 17:08 Will Joined on 22/09/2004 Sussex & 50 (Mortainais) Posts 4,860 Re: Kiddies fighting Gluestick, I don't think abuse has been exacerbated, it's just that we hear a lot more about it now. I know that 40 years ago sexual abuse was widespread, and I would hazars a guess that there was rather more of it than at present, there just wasn't the recognition of paedophiles back then. And physical abuse was even more common in schools and homes - one could almost say that the 'better' the school, the more abuse. I'm talking about England, but I don't think things are much different in other places. JR, I know Southwater very well, in fact I remember it in the 1960s and before when it consisted mainly of its brickworks and the large - somewhat 'rough' - council estate that housed the workers. I've lived there on two occasions (not now) since it took on its present form. I mention it because it is a good example of a place that has grown up rapidly as just housing - little else (at least up to very recently). I believe that is the underlying problem in many places, no 'community'. Yes, it has a village hall and a 'country park' (i.e. the brickworks site) and there have been attempts to give the kids things to do - but kids of course don't want to be told how to spend their spare time. It's not surprising that places like that, which are basically just breeding grounds, little else, have problems. And the parents who are attracted to places like that do definitely regard it as somebody else's responsibility (the schools?) to tell their offspring how to live. Arguably, France has more of a community spirit in its villages, but there are still problems of drugs, alcoholism, vandalism and petty crime - in that case high unemployment and lack of prospects seem to be the dispiriting factors. Sorry, drifting away from the topic... Will intentionally blank signature http://www.vienormande.com    Report

22/04/2008, 18:30 now just john Joined on 28/04/2005 Montignac le coq Posts 370 Re: Kiddies fighting Whilst I feel the same despair of most of the comments, if not some of the detail, I feel the reality is that the whole series of similar incidents are a barometer of the current condition of society and how the responsible institutions have performed during the last generation to produce these current products. Of course I absolve myself of all blame as I'm sure do many others, but something is responsible, the facts speak clearly, somebody did step off the path and tread on the butterfly; and that is the failure of this nation to perform to produce what many would rather see. These are the things that need to addressed rather than castrating a few pathetic dysfunctional rejects.    Report

22/04/2008, 19:53 Bluebells Joined on 23/08/2004 Deux Sevres Posts 84 Re: Kiddies fighting Well a memory springs to mind of younger days when my weight training partner brought up the subject of his son, a skinny 9 year old lad with a lisp and problems of remorseless bullying at school.   He had become totally withdrawn and firghtened of his own shadow and scared sh--less of going to school.  My pal asked me too train the lad for a while including some junior boxing stuff, well six months into this, the young man had become a different person in my and his families eyes and proud as punch we all were when his dad got a call from school asking him to attend as his lad had knocked out the school bully and he was being asked to explain himself.   Still know the lad and his family to this day and all are well adjusted NORMAL human beings.   Not to everyone's taste I guess but for him a release from the constant difficulty he faced in those times. A walk in a bluebell wood is heaven on earth    Report

22/04/2008, 20:39 Hoddy Joined on 23/08/2004 .....Forum Moderator..... NW Leics/SE Dordogne Posts 2,104 Re: Kiddies fighting I suspect that some of the people commenting here haven't actually seen the trailer for this programme; it was extremely unpleasant. Most of us who've spent a lifetime in teaching are familiar with boxing and martial arts training and even though we may not like it, acknowledge that it's done in a very disciplined way. What was shown on the trailer bore little resemblance to what I know of martial arts. Hoddy    Report

22/04/2008, 22:00 Limousin Lass Joined on 23/01/2007 87 Near Chalus Posts 113 Re: Kiddies fighting Perhaps reading this link will give some people a taste of what to expect - sickening. http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2004_baby_fight_club.shtml I know it is the NOTW, known for its sensationalising but judging from the trailer I saw it seems a fairly true reflection.      Report

23/04/2008, 8:10 Gluestick Joined on 22/03/2006 UK and Nord Pas de Calais Posts 2,342 Re: Kiddies fighting  Hoddy wrote: I suspect that some of the people commenting here haven't actually seen the trailer for this programme; it was extremely unpleasant. Most of us who've spent a lifetime in teaching are familiar with boxing and martial arts training and even though we may not like it, acknowledge that it's done in a very disciplined way. What was shown on the trailer bore little resemblance to what I know of martial arts. Hoddy Quite agree, Hoddy. Some years ago, an acquaintance (through motorsport) turned out to be a quite senior Met officer and one of the highest UK examiners of the then quite rare martial art, popularly known as King Fu (more correctly, as he informed me, Wushu). Over coffee one day, he recounted how two nights before, he was examining at a local centre for belt upgrades and how one young lad was on the mat and fighting for his new belt against a much more experienced chap. The young guy missed a block and was accidently kicked hard between the legs! Now the chaps herein will empathise: the lad's instant and instinctive reaction was to cover his mouth and run for the loo to throw up. As he was about to leave the mat, the examiner shouted to remind him of something important: the lad thought for a tick and promptly bowed to his opponent and the examiner and then left the mat. He received his new belt. It was explained to me that since any form of martial art is about self-discipline and mind over matter, by managing to conquer such a powerful automatic physiological reaction and observe discipline and protocol, the young man well deserved the belt. A world of difference to thuggish mentally challenged parents forcing 5 year old girls into a ring to fight for the parent's ego. I stick to what I said earlier: sterilise 'em! They are scum and totally unfitted to live in any decent society.   "Yes, but that apart, Mrs Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?" Gluestick    Report

24/04/2008, 0:03 Pads Joined on 24/05/2006 Cornwall/ Montage Noir Posts 3,189 Re: Kiddies fighting The programme we are talking about is on tomorrow Thursday at 9pm on channel 4 See what you think ? Dirty Tom =^..^= Where ever I lay my paw thats my home    Report

24/04/2008, 18:30 Iceni Joined on 23/08/2004 Lot 46 Posts 2,974 Re: Kiddies fighting  Puzzled wrote: I read a piece about this in Daily Mail yesterday . One of the comments was along the lines that it is filling the void left by the banning of dog fighting , let's hope that this actvity is stamped out too. Don't agree, Puzzled. Now that we don't send them up chimneys I cannot think of a better use for children of the lower classes - there are plenty of them. John Di For the Complete Virtual Assistant Start Up Package    Report

24/04/2008, 18:38 Pads Joined on 24/05/2006 Cornwall/ Montage Noir Posts 3,189 Re: Kiddies fighting     Your Bad !! Dirty Tom =^..^= Where ever I lay my paw thats my home    Report

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