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Earning a Living
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 21/04/2008, 8:50
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Will
 
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JR etc - you would have to ask an accountant. Though I think there is quite some scope for creativity in France, just as there is in Britain. Although costs and allowances will obviously vary greatly according to what you do, the most important thing is to be able to justify the costs. For instance, as my clients were based in London there was no problem with claiming regular travel costs to Britain, but somebody doing building work solely in France would find a ferry ticket once a month rather difficult to justify. People do get investigated, but by using a proper accountant, who is affiliated to an approved organisation or bureau de gestion, you are less likely to come under scrutiny than if you are trying to do complex accounting yourself.
I think that by reducing your 'apparent' income it's not too difficult to make the 46% of taxable income figure look more in line with 25% of incoming money, if you see what I mean.
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21/04/2008, 10:58
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J.R's gone native
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 Will wrote: | |
I think that by reducing your 'apparent' income it's not too difficult to make the 46% of taxable income figure look more in line with 25% of incoming money, if you see what I mean.
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![Big Smile [:D]](/cs/images/emotions/biggrin.gif)
Yes I know exactly what you mean Will, there is not a smily big enough to reflect my expression when I read your very well worded posting.
Thanks a lot, it is not for now but some time in the future and is one more unknown "concern" removed.
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24/04/2008, 0:20
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PaulaW
Joined on 15/01/2008
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Thank you all for the fab, as usual, advice and information. I've
tried many different forums and I have to say this is the best, most
accurate one I have come across in terms of advice. Maybe there are
just more people here in similar situations, or at least with similar
experiences, to mine. Cheers again, guys.
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24/04/2008, 1:07
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Albert the InfoGipsy
Joined on 01/07/2006
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Where do I send the invoice?
Albert the InfoGipsy
"So welcome to the Citadel where the question is 'Am I?'"
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09/06/2008, 9:35
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Zippy
Joined on 22/07/2006
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An absolutely great read thus far. I was in exactly the same situation and am proud to confirm that I have already taken the steps suggested throughout the forum exchange and now operate as a Travailleur Non Salariee / have set up a SARL, am registered in all the relevant caisses and fully entered into the french system. Fantastic you may think. Why do we need to hear this BUT unfortunately for my situation, this is not the end of the self employed living in France / working for a UK Co, as the saga continues.Aagh!
As of January 2008, I have entered a 9month contract with the same UK company to whom I was employed when living in the UK. They have taken legal advice and now think that there is a problem with disguised employment and that they may be condemned for the offence of undeclared works (delit de travail dissimule) and may face a fine of €45000 and a 3 year prison sentence. I have tried to explain that it is not ME with whom they have a contract, but the SARL therefore there is no direct link between myself and the UK company, thus no 'employment' situation.
The problem is that I currently only have this one Client and I appreciate that a solution would be to consider going part time with them so that I can look for other Clients to invoice. This is something I would prefer not to have to do unless absolutely necessary so would welcome advice from anyone who has any linked experience of this situation?
Many Thanks.
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10/06/2008, 22:19
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PaulaW
Joined on 15/01/2008
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Hi Zippy,
Were you in France when the contract began? If so, it's probably a case of tough sh1t for the company. If you weren't, you need to accept that they have worries and whatever assurances you give them personally, they will not be swayed by you alone. There are a ton of legal eagles over the Eures site - http://www.europa.eu.int/eures/home.jsp?lang=en
You need a legal disclaimer, in writing, to reassure your UK employer that making use of you, and paying you, will not land them a fine. I could be wrong but I think it's just a breakdown in communication - but even if it is, you should have this for future clients and for your own piece of mind.
PS - now relocated, working and ooooh so happy! :-)
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