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07/03/2008, 13:42 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,440 Re: E121 - Long Term Incapacity Benefit At Retirement Well, my information, like yours, is only gleaned from other sources!  I think your advice is correct and that they need to go back to their CPAM - the GP is not the place to start.  As you say, their attestation should already say that they receive the 100% across the board, if they are on an ICB E121, and this is not something which the GP governs in this case - unlike the standard 100% for ALDs only which those not on ICB may have access to.  I think your advice is bang on, myself. Healthcare Issues Site    Report

07/03/2008, 17:18 Benjamin Joined on 21/08/2005 Vendée South Posts 1,815 Re: E121 - Long Term Incapacity Benefit At Retirement I spoke to the International Pensions Centre in Newcastle again this morning and asked them what date they would be putting on Mrs Benjamin's replacement E121 to be told that it would be the date of her 60th birthday just over two years ago. I pointed out that this could cause us some problems with the French authorities as it could look as if we'd been sitting on it for over two years. The point was accepted but I was told that was the only date they could use. I then asked for a covering letter, in English and in French, explaining that they had failed to issue the replacement E121 at the correct time. I've just had a call back from a departmental supervisor (name freely given) and we can expect both letters in about two weeks time. A good result I'd say! Benjamin St Malo 1-New evidence suggests mis-trial    Report

19/03/2008, 8:39 rothrugby Joined on 19/09/2007 Champagne Mouton (16) France Posts 67 Re: E121 - Long Term Incapacity Benefit At Retirement Hi All, As the person who started this thread I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this discussion. Our organisation will incorporate this information into a handout for our members. Tony Ackland ( aka rothrugby ) www.charente-limousine-exchange.com      Report

19/03/2008, 9:13 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,440 Re: E121 - Long Term Incapacity Benefit At Retirement Tony, Larry phoned me about this this morning.  There's a bit more info' on this which may help. The E121 apparently has several boxes on the back, and which is ticked governs what kind of cover you get in France.  There are 4 options : One is "Age" for which one gets the standard 70% odd, then "IB" for which one gets 100% for everything (with a few exceptions like private room suplements, hospital food charges etc) and then two more for Industrial Disease and Industrial Injury.  The latter two only carry 100% re-imbursement for illnesses and conditions related to the incapacity or disease in question.  Hope this helps. Healthcare Issues Site    Report

19/03/2008, 14:10 Grecian Joined on 24/01/2007 Deux Sèvres Posts 111 Re: E121 - Long Term Incapacity Benefit At Retirement Hi Coops, not getting too carried away here with the info you have just posted, regarding the magic E121 piece of paper. Are you saying that if the receipient is in receipt of industrial injury benefit, then they are entitled to an E121, on the terms you have stated, i.e. 100% cover for the injury, and then 70% ish for the rest. This could be very beneficial to our situation if this is the case, this would mean that if my wife were to lose her IB, thus her E121, the fact that she is also in receipt of industrial injury benefit, could save the day for us regarding healthcare cover in the first 5 years. Nothint to do with this thread, but is anybody else experiencing difficulty accessing the forum, or is it just me?        Report

19/03/2008, 18:04 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,440 Re: E121 - Long Term Incapacity Benefit At Retirement Grecian : You should check with the UK, but it could be... As you may guess, this is a first for me!  I'll do a bit of research for you. Healthcare Issues Site    Report

20/03/2008, 12:59 Grecian Joined on 24/01/2007 Deux Sèvres Posts 111 Re: E121 - Long Term Incapacity Benefit At Retirement After telephoning Newcastle this morning regarding the E121 situation, and Industrial Injury Benefit, I was informed that for the industrial injury, DWP issue a separate 'E' form which is an E123. This form alas, only covers healthcare for the injury sustained, and no other part of healthcare in France. The lady I spoke to did not know anything about the section on the back of the E121, which Larry alluded to, and had to ask somebody else regarding the situation with industrial injury, so I only hope I have been given the right information, regarding a matter as serious as this. I also telephone the DLA helpline enquiring if anything had been decided regarding the ECJ ruling on exporting the benefit, the gentleman I spoke said that they had not been informed of the decision regarding payment, but hopes it will be forthcoming shortly. I then proceeded to ask him a hypothetical question, that if the benefit is deemed exportable would this qualify for an E121, he seemed to think that it would, but I got the feeling that it was only his opinion. I know ebaynut is hot on this case, so I hope he/she has more luck that me, in trying to get an answer to the DLA/E121 position. Starting a gite business however small, just to qualify to join CMU, seems the best/safest option at the moment.      Report

20/03/2008, 13:44 cooperlola Joined on 05/05/2006 72 - Sarthe - home of les 24 heures du Mans Posts 6,440 Re: E121 - Long Term Incapacity Benefit At Retirement I've been asking around to find out if anybody actually still has a copy of their own E121 in their possession, who could look - which seems a simple place to start at least.  I'll also go back to Larry and get his take on this - odd because he's normally well informed. Whatever, Grecian, you are right to play as safe as you can.  I have just been chasing up a case of a lady on a long term IB E121 who is one of the first to have a review over here, and who has had it withdrawn. Although she was legally resident on the 23rd November, because her form was an E121 and not an E106, she is not covered by the minister's January statement and thus cannot get into CMU or get private cover.  So if anybody lost E121 IB entitlement in the future - even if they were entitled to it when they arrived and were legally resident at the cut-off date - they could be in deep trouble at a later date. With the clampdown on benefit claimants, this won't be the last of these we see, I'm sure. Healthcare Issues Site    Report

20/03/2008, 14:09 ebaynut Joined on 06/03/2007 Posts 135 Re: E121 - Long Term Incapacity Benefit At Retirement  Grecian wrote: I also telephone the DLA helpline enquiring if anything had been decided regarding the ECJ ruling on exporting the benefit, the gentleman I spoke said that they had not been informed of the decision regarding payment, but hopes it will be forthcoming shortly. I then proceeded to ask him a hypothetical question, that if the benefit is deemed exportable would this qualify for an E121, he seemed to think that it would, but I got the feeling that it was only his opinion. I know ebaynut is hot on this case, so I hope he/she has more luck that me, in trying to get an answer to the DLA/E121 position. It's the same old 'head meets brick wall' coupled with the painfully slow waiting game scenario for us as well Grecian. All we can glean further is the anouncement on their web page, which states that: " We expect to provide full details on eligibility criteria by 5 April 2008. The first payments could be made to eligible customers shortly afterwards." So the agony should be resolved soon......... Like you, when we have spoken with them, they imply that it will have to be deemed as a health benefit (which is exportable) as opposed to a special non-contributory benefit (which is not exportable), and thereby 'should in theory' be subject to the same treatment/rules. ie: Eligible for an E121.  Grecian wrote: Starting a gite business however small, just to qualify to join CMU, seems the best/safest option at the moment. We seem to be on the same wavelength here too! As, like us, you are all too aware there is a desperate shortage of English run gite businesses in France at the moment!    Report

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