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Making the Move From Outside the EU
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 09/02/2008, 19:18
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Jura
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Actually my white and coloured in-laws all say the same thing...choosing Mandela as leader there was SA's biggest mistake. This country also has the highest rate of child murders than anywhere else in the world. And in 2006 Mandela chose to dismantle the special child protection task force that existed there...due to reasons of 'economy'. This in fact was announced by an award-winning journalist at the VISA Pour L'Image exhibition in Perpignan (exhibition for international photo journalism) who had been specifically investigating for four years the rate of child murders/rapes in that country; both the police in their attempts to curb it and the Mandela Govt's blank refusal to address the problem. On average seven children (under ten) every week are murdered in that country. She stated that the only police who were willing to fight on were doing so completely unpaid and at the expense of their own family lives.
Disgusting. Mandela is not the saint that the world makes him out to be; and time will reveal just how corrupt and hypocritical this so called 'leader of human rights' actually is.
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09/02/2008, 19:26
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woolybanana'sbrother
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Frith I wish my family had never returned to Europe from SA but gone to Aus or NZ.
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10/02/2008, 22:25
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tegwini
 
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Hi W-B's bro
many saying the same thing...
& Hi Jura- what I think is so grim in SA is the raping of children - supposedly to 'cure' AIDS, apparently some raped as young as a year or so.
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tegwini
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11/02/2008, 18:08
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Jura
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What I found so disturbing Tegwini is what this journalist had to say. She had spent a good deal of time investigating the cases of child rapes/murders in SA and had worked alongside the very police who were working to fight all this. Yet, amidst all this horror, Mandela chose to pull the rug out from under them all...because it all cost the Govt too much money to fund.
If I can find the name of this woman I will publish it here. She is an Australian journalist. Naturally, her reports do not attract much interest from those in the UN. Mandela is their 'darling'.
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12/02/2008, 19:13
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tegwini
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Spot on Jura, and yet it is mainly Black children & babies being raped/gang raped - horrific!
The world has lost interest in SA now that the Black majority rules - tragic in Zimbabwe- SA to follow?
This is why over a million white, maybe 2 million, South Africans (& some Indian & Coloured South Africans) have left, as well as almost all white Zimbabweans.
Amazing how quickly things have changed in southern Africa, but sad ...
tegwini
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13/02/2008, 17:33
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Jura
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Tegwini, Africa as a whole seems to be too much of a problem for the so-called 'world super powers'. They are all more interested in where the oil comes from and who controls it (even though this is a significant issue) than what is happening to women and children on the African continent. They executed Saddam Hussein for crimes against humanity in Iraq...yet do not have the testicles to do same to that mass murderer Robert Mugabe; even that vile murderer Idi Amin ended his wretched life in protected exile. The US are pursuing the capture of Osama Bin Laden for his role in killing over 2000 people in September 2001 under the pretence of 'world peace'. What rot.
The people of the continent of Africa obviously do not matter in the bigger scheme of things. There is only one reason why the British and the Americans will not interfere here; race. Neither country wants to pit a white power against a black power. Too many problems would exist back on their home soil as a result. I wonder if Africa held the worlds oil reserves if the story would be so much different. Of course it would!
The sister of my ex-husband visited relatives in Durban last November; she stayed 5 days before cutting things short and returning to Australia. She feared for her own safety.
Africa, all parts of it, has become to the world the black sheep of the family - we know it exists yet we do our best to ignore it's reality.
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14/02/2008, 10:00
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tegwini
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Yes Jura, I agree, but how awful to sit by & allow Mugabe (or Amin) to murder & ruin a country & do nothing beacause of race or P.C! You sound as cynical as I am about the role of governments & especially the UK government's role in Africa - or anywhere else for that matter. They do nothing about human rights in China or Saudi Arabia- too powerful, too useful ? and SA & Rhodesia were punished as much as possible. My parents lived in Bulawayo during the terrorist war, my 2 brothers served in the war, (war of libraration???) and life was better for Blacks then than now, and no one starved. Britain had war ships off LM to keep out oil tankers with oil destined for Rhodesia. They punished a tiny country, but do nothing about large powerful countries with murderous dictators- or Blacks killing Blacks. Look at Darfur now - the Arab/Muslim government commiting genocide in the Christian south, and it is tolerated.
I used to hope that South Africa's mineral wealth would help, but as long as someone mines it , it matters not that chaos is setting in. Democracy does not work in Africa, tribalism rules & they vote tribally, Zim is about tribalism- Shona vs Matabele, South Africa is similar. Or, as Ian Smith said : African democracy = one man, one vote, once.
Sadly, although we give away our rights & tax to our governments they rarely represent our views. And, they can barely protect us from terrorism or imported crime these days in some parts of the UK. In the long run we must look to our own future & security.
Oh, for a desert island with sunshine & stuff to eat & something interesting to do...
tegwini
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15/02/2008, 19:31
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Jura
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I know where you are coming from. Two of my closest friends are a married couple, much older than I am, who lived in Uganda in the late 50's - John was a surveyor for the British Govt there. They just loved that country and it's people then. They left in the 60's when the British began their withdrawal and 'handover' to the Africans. They now live in Australia and would love to return to visit Uganda but do not dare to. John says 'human life has become too cheap in Africa now'.
They told me how the African people all had employment 'back then', albeit at the hands of the British, French and Belgians, but all the same those people had jobs and were able to support their families. They had dignity. Once those colonies were handed over, and thus taken over by dictators and military regimes, the rot set in. In short, they are starving and killing their own people and this is all sanctioned by the so-called 'civilised' west.
The self important Sir Bob Geldof, Bono, and their ilk might raise millions in Aid for Africa; but to quote a woman from Ethiopia three years back...' our children are still dying from hunger yet the militia are all parading around with new guns '.
Makes you wonder where the money REALLY goes, dosen't it?
I think we all know.
"In the long run we must look to our own future & security" - you have sure said a mouthfull there my friend.
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15/02/2008, 19:36
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woolybanana'sbrother
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So Jura, to cut a long tirade short, the Empire Loyalists were right then?
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