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07/12/2007, 21:59 Pushkin Joined on 23/08/2004 Charente Maritime (17) Posts 155 Re: Move hanging on the dog This brought on tears, of sorrow and anger in equal measure. The law in question is stupid and IMHO Kenzo was not a Pit Bull; he looks more a Boxer x French Bulldog and his reported temperament would support that conclusion.  I'm with you, Christine.  Well, I would be, as I greatly admire you and your work and thanks to you we have our wonderful Poppy, a Rottweiler x Labrador and our gorgeous little Nushi the Shih Tzu.  We can express our horror and dismay at what befell Kenzo but a strategy for any future cases is needed.  I am no expert in French law, but I assume that, as in the UK, it is a weapon with two edges and that anyone who asserts a fact before a court or enquiring body may be required to prove it. The first move for any owner whose dog is seized should be to involve an avocat, the most aggressive you can lay hands on, who should be instructed to get full details of those who have impounded the dog and of the vets who say he is a Pit Bull type. It should be made clear to those involved that they will be sued personally if they are wrong, with maximum publicity.  Imagine the scene in court, with an accusing vet being shown photos of various breeds and being required to identify them. What fun it would be! Especially with the mastiffs! Christine will recall that our Poppy was even described as a Beauceron by one vet (Poppy was mortified when I told her). Then, moving on to Pit Bulls, not a breed but a type.  Even a newly qualified avocat should be able to tie the accusing vet(s) up in knots.  And you can always find an expert witness, a more highly qualified vet, preferably from one of the training schools.  One expert can always be found to contradict another. The prospect of financial loss and a severely damaged reputation should serve to make any vet very cautious indeed about pointing the finger.  As to the police, the prospect of a happy chat with les boeufs carottes tends to concentrate minds wonderfully. Rest in peace, little Kenzo.  You were sinned against, not sinning, and I am certain that you are now just by Rainbow Bridge.  One of the most dreadful warnings in the Bible comes to mind; Romans 12:19.  How do we join the Association Kenzo, please?   Pete not Sue      Report

07/12/2007, 22:29 Christine Animal Joined on 14/05/2005 Deux-Sèvres Posts 4,375 Re: Move hanging on the dog Thank you for your message Pete.  You Pushkins are such good people.  Yes, this family should have had a good avocat, but it was unfortunately too late before the sad story came out.  As I said we signed a petitition just before and it was also too late.  They had told Jonathan to keep calm saying that the procureur might call at the last minute and let Kenzo go, but he didn't.  Christine Delfosse, Présidente of Association Kenzo and who knew the family and Kenzo took his body to bury him in her garden.  She says she kept going to see him hoping that the vet had not been able to do it and had just given him an anaesthetic and he would wake up.  Noone could believe or accept that such a thing could be true. Even if Lily and Kenzo were labelled as Catgory 1, they might not have been put down now as they are changing the law and saying that Category 1 dogs born after the law of 1999 should no longer be put down, but the owners have to follow a course, have them neutered, insured, declared at the Mairie, etc. The dogs are still in danger as they are being abandoned by those who don't want to keep a dog under such conditions.  There are nine of them now at Niort while their owners are getting everything in order with the law.  But the psychose is the great danger for the dogs, I just saw this tonight on Total France http://www.dobermannendetresse.com/forum/diver.php?msg=60382&return=1#top Three Rottweilers shot for killing chickens and another shot by the Gendarmes while he was in his garden !  There are so many stories like this.  There was a Rottweiler waiting in a car while his master was in a night club. The police had a struggle with someone in the street and ended up against the car with the Rottweiler in it.  The dog of course was barking at what was going on and they killed him ! There are two sites for Kenzo Pete, the forum "La Voix de Kenzo" and the Association Kenzo.  There is going to be a trial.  You can read all about it. http://lavoixdekenzo-76.forumactif.name/index.htm http://www.e-monsite.com/lavoixdekenzo1 You will also see horrible photos of the Beauceron shot in the head.  We have been sending donations for his treatment.   animalaidsaintaubin.monsite.orange.fr/ Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful    Report

13/12/2007, 23:37 Christine Animal Joined on 14/05/2005 Deux-Sèvres Posts 4,375 Re: Move hanging on the dog I don't want to put the awful photos of Rocco the Beauceron who was rescued after being shot in the head, mentioned at the end of the previous post and on this link http://www.e-monsite.com/lavoixdekenzo1   But I do want to show the photos of him now since his operations.  It's marvellous what has been done for him.     animalaidsaintaubin.monsite.orange.fr/ Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful    Report

14/12/2007, 8:22 Pushkin Joined on 23/08/2004 Charente Maritime (17) Posts 155 Re: Move hanging on the dog Christine, I did look at the photos on the other link when you first posted it and it made me feel, not only sick but furious as well.  To see the pictures of Rocco now just makes my heart sing.  I wouldn't have believed that he could make such a recovery.  Thank you for posting the pictures. Mrs Pushkin    Report

14/12/2007, 9:17 Pierre ZFP Joined on 12/11/2004 PdC(62)/Luxembourg Posts 1,975 Re: Move hanging on the dog Another tale along the same lines but I'm happy to say not as awful as those above.  Friends of mine in Germany (where they also have strict dog laws) wanted to take their motorhome and 4 dogs to Spain for a holiday. One of the dogs is a Rottwieller cross with something, very nice dog, the only danger you are in is getting a good licking.  So, they heard about these dog restrictions in France and contacted the appropriate authority (sorry, not sure who, I can ask) and were told in no uncertain terms that if the dog was discovered in France, in transit or not, it would be put down.  Wisely deciding not to take the risk, they holidayed elsewhere but could easily have fallen foul of the law. In case it affects any of you, after some tragic incidents of children being killed, THE NETHERLANDS HAS EVEN STRICTER DOG LAWS and they apply to visitors and residents alike.  As I understand it, your dog could be put down simply on basis of size not even breed so please be warned Remember, apples and blackberrys do NOT count towards your 5-a-day    Report

14/12/2007, 9:56 Pushkin Joined on 23/08/2004 Charente Maritime (17) Posts 155 Re: Move hanging on the dog I can't understand that Pierre.  We came to France with a Rottweiler who was more likely to lick you to death than anything else!  As long as we registered her at the mairie and she was muzzled in public places we complied with the law in France.  We now have a Rottweiler cross Labrador who is just as soft and the same rules apply to her.  I would have presumed that as long as your friends dog was muzzled they would be OK.  Having said that I read that a Rottweiler was shot by the gendarmes when he was safely confined in his owners car so nowhere is really safe when all is said and done.  Some sort of 'anti big dog' hysteria seems to have gripped France which means of course that dogs like Rottweilers will be abandoned and put down wholesale.  Nobody makes a fuss when a dog like a Jack Russell attacks a child.  I wish the powers that be could understand that, for the most part,  it is bad owners not bad dogs which do the damage. Pushkin    Report

14/12/2007, 13:50 Christine Animal Joined on 14/05/2005 Deux-Sèvres Posts 4,375 Re: Move hanging on the dog Message de Rocco, pour tous ceux qui l’ont aidé Regardez moi, ce n’est pas ma souffrance que vous voyez C’est la lacheté des hommes, leurs cruautés cent fois répétées Je ne suis plus très beau, mais mon ame n’as pas changé Sur la lumière du jour, mes yeux se sont fermés, à jamais On ne m’a pas appris la haine, je continue a vous aimer Un humain m’a meurtri, un autre m’a soigné, caressé On m’a murmuré a l’oreille que vous m’avez aidé Il y a donc des hommes qui savent encore donner Je vais bien, vous voyez, juste un peu amoché Je ne sais pas parler, mais vous me comprenez Je vous envoie mes plus douces pensées d’amitié Merci à vous, amis de mes frères oppressés Parce que même si je sais que moi je suis sauvé D’autres encore vont gémir sous les coups et tomber Vous serez toujours là pour nous aider, nous sauver Restez unis, soudés, cette chaine immense de solidarité M’a redonné la foi en votre humanité Merci de vos dons, de vos messages, de vos pensées Je m'appelle Rocco, j'ai survécu, vous m'avez sauvé   animalaidsaintaubin.monsite.orange.fr/ Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful    Report

14/12/2007, 14:32 Pierre ZFP Joined on 12/11/2004 PdC(62)/Luxembourg Posts 1,975 Re: Move hanging on the dog Pushkin - I will check with them where they got the info Remember, apples and blackberrys do NOT count towards your 5-a-day    Report

14/12/2007, 15:27 Pushkin Joined on 23/08/2004 Charente Maritime (17) Posts 155 Re: Move hanging on the dog For Rocco.  XXXXXX Pushkin    Report

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