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17/06/2009, 1:13 Owens88 Joined on 01/11/2004 66 and East Midlands Posts 885 Re: Meat Free Monday 1) Obviously any one 'day' to do (or not-do ) something is more symbolic than real . 2) Chris, don't we all wish  for the magic bullet. Something that would save the world but we actually enjoyed doing or giving up..    e.g. Driving at 100mph actually saves fuel reduces emissions and saves lives          Watching TV  has been proven to help save the planet by reducing wear and tear on it.          If humans would only stop cutting (or eating if that takes your fancy) grass there would be so much 'green lung' in our cities...          Middle lane-hogs could be forcibly removed from the road and their cars crushed for re-cycling and the drivers re-used for organ transplants, solving three problems at one go.   In the meantime a balanced mixed view combined with some sensible science can't hurt.       John John Owens www.Goodviews.co.uk In East Midlands and France (66)    Report

17/06/2009, 7:18 Jonzjob Joined on 23/08/2004 Nr Carcassonne, 11 Posts 3,747 Re: Meat Free Monday  Owens88 wrote: 1) Obviously any one 'day' to do (or not-do ) something is more symbolic than real . 2) Chris, don't we all wish  for the magic bullet. Something that would save the world but we actually enjoyed doing or giving up..    e.g. Driving at 100mph actually saves fuel reduces emissions and saves lives          Watching TV  has been proven to help save the planet by reducing wear and tear on it.          If humans would only stop cutting (or eating if that takes your fancy) grass there would be so much 'green lung' in our cities...          Middle lane-hogs could be forcibly removed from the road and their cars crushed for re-cycling and the drivers re-used for organ transplants, solving three problems at one go.   In the meantime a balanced mixed view combined with some sensible science can't hurt.       John You missed out smoking John? Not quite sure about driving at 100 mph. It would cause havoc in our village? John. Long ago when men cursed and beat the ground with sticks, it was called witchcraft. Today, it's called golf. http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/Jonzjob/    Report

04/07/2009, 9:16 Frenchie Joined on 31/05/2007 Granzay, 2 Sèvres,79 Posts 7,797 Re: Meat Free Monday  odile wrote: FRENCHIE    ARE  YOU  LISTENING? Yes, Odile, I was just trying to keep away from this thread.. Everyone knows my affection for PMC , and, just like you , Odile, my parents are Catholic , so when I was a child we didn't have meat on fridays. Why not try and stick to tradition again ? Dunno if it will make a real difference for the planet, but it will make a change.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02bawEDh-JQ Life has a habit of biting you on the bum in ways that you least expect    Report

04/07/2009, 13:06 Christine Animal Joined on 14/05/2005 Deux-Sèvres Posts 4,954 Re: Meat Free Monday What happened to his Liverpool accent ?!     Animal Aid Saint Aubin Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful    Report

04/07/2009, 13:16 Frenchie Joined on 31/05/2007 Granzay, 2 Sèvres,79 Posts 7,797 Re: Meat Free Monday I m French Christine, I don't really realize that sort of thing.. Life has a habit of biting you on the bum in ways that you least expect    Report

05/07/2009, 10:13 oldgit72 Joined on 29/10/2007 charente (16) Posts 190 Re: Meat Free Monday I do try to keep out of this silliness, but I can't. You're not going to "save the planet" by changing your eating habits, that's pure unadulterated stupidity. You're not going to "save the planet" whatever you do. The planet is the planet, it's existed for billennia with (but largely without) the presence of man, and will continue to do so despite your puny efforts. It's not about saaving the planet, it's about saving what we know as the planet for future generations. If you have kids or grandchildren you wil know what I mean. What WILL finish the planet will be either an extra-terrestrial influence (asteroid impact, for example, or solar change), or natural catastrophe (like a volcanic or seismic event). Climate change is here to stay - it's always been here, and always will be. The last 50 years have seen the most rapid rise in temperature in such a short period of time. Not eating beef, lamb, fish, burgers is going to make s0d all difference, even if we ALL stopped (which of course, we won't). Taken in isolation what you say may be true however it's about everyone doing a little bit to make an overall difference.  I like vegetables, but not exclusively so, and for me, meat will always be part of my enjoyable, balanced diet. So if you want to indulge your silly beliefs, that's up to you and good luck, but you won't make a hap'ence worth of difference to anything by doing so. Now you can flame me, and/oto enable r argue the toss with me until the cows come home (or stop far!ing), it'll make absolutely no difference. Chris   Your posting doesn't make me angry, it is just sad that there are still people who despite all the evidence still talk such nonsense. http://www.freewebs.com/16vert/index.htm    Report

07/07/2009, 8:24 Chris'nJulie Joined on 10/07/2007 Correze Posts 228 Re: Meat Free Monday Actually, none of it is nonsense. My opinions stem from hard, solid and historical evidence gleaned from considerable research. With respect, I suggest you read Ian Plimer's book "Heaven and Earth - Global warming: the missing science" The stark facts are there - anthropogenic global warming is a myth, and in fact the planet is about to enter a cooling phase, as it does (and always has) cyclically, for many combined reasons, none of which are anything to do with the contribution of humanity. I'm quite happy to debate this with anyone. Chris Chris & Julie Blimey, what have we done?    Report

07/07/2009, 9:02 Quillan Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 5,535 Re: Meat Free Monday I'm with you Chris on this, its a con and its very, very big business and the large multi nationals are racking in trillions of dollars from people 'going green'. Just look at all the 'kit' thats available to help you go green and the cost. The 'Greens' will argue its not the cost thats important its saving the planet for future generations that counts in which case they should pay for us all to go green. What really annoys me is these people always seem to be telling us what we can't have but spend very little, if any, on finding alternative products which meet their  green requirements, don't tell us what we can't have tell us what we can have and how to fund it. There is another theory banded around and it involves multi nationals and oil. There is a magic calculation based on the price of oil, the amount produced, the technology of getting it out of the ground and when the oil will run out. It basically says that when the consumption of oil gets to X barrels a day the technology for getting it out of the ground can't keep up (they have to go deeper to get the oil out) so the supply will dry up and the price will rise considerably (as predicted by the Hubbard curve which has proved to be quite accurate). North sea oil is a good example, there is loads of oil in the north sea although they can only expect to get a very small percentage out. Demand for north sea oil outstrips the speed of the development of technology to get more out. So whilst they say there is loads of the stuff we simply can't extract it. Therefore multi nationals who use oil products (which account for the majority of oil usage) have a vested interest in making us all burn less fossil fuel (in cars for example). Virtually everything we use today has some form of oil product in it from a humble pill bottle we get drugs in from the chemist to micros chips, plastic in cars, in fact just about anything is made out of plastic or oil derived produce. The companies that produce these items have a lot too loose if the oil dries up or it gets too expensive. Oil for petrol/diesel and aviation fuel is only a small percentage of the total oil used but it could extend the manufacturing life of these companies for quite some time. Last time I talked about this subject I got 'put down' by those with blinkered views who have been brainwashed by environmental lobby. http://www.chambresdhote.com    Report

07/07/2009, 10:08 Jonzjob Joined on 23/08/2004 Nr Carcassonne, 11 Posts 3,747 Re: Meat Free Monday I'm with you Quillan and Chris. I have been under the impression that it is a huge con for several years and there is solid proof of it too, all you have to do is lok for it. The multi nationals are trying to cover it up because it gets them large profits. It's the same sort of thing for Monsanto tellng the World that their GM seeds are the only way to stop the  World starving. Then when the pandoras Box is fully open they will be the only ones who can supply the Worlds food. Then they have complete control don't they? I would love to have been able to listen to these 'scientists' at the end of the last big ice age. They would have been blaming the people who had invented/discovered fire for all of the ice melting. The climate of the Earth has been cyclic from the beginning of time and will continue to be so until mankind blows it up or we get the big bang from an asteroid, end of story? John. Long ago when men cursed and beat the ground with sticks, it was called witchcraft. Today, it's called golf. http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/Jonzjob/    Report

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