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23/10/2008, 17:02 gosub Joined on 15/01/2008 North of 47 Posts 622 Re: Renewal of Carte Vitale refused  Cat wrote:  Cat wrote: The FHI link for 5 year residence. IS THAT BETTER RON??? ? Les    Report

23/10/2008, 17:06 Cat Joined on 21/01/2005 ------- Forum Moderator ------- Lot Posts 4,370 Re: Renewal of Carte Vitale refused The original link was too long Cathy Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.    Report

23/10/2008, 18:08 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,863 Re: Renewal of Carte Vitale refused  Cat wrote:  Cat wrote: The FHI link for 5 year residence. IS THAT BETTER RON??? Well as you ask can you move it 25mm to the right and show the link in red like the red cross. PS .....and don't shout its naughty I think the OP's problem is that they were not in the CMU Base in November 2007 so therefore it really does matter as to how this can be resolved.  The fact that they were not in the CMU Base before is probably why CPAM is refusing them admission to the CMU because as far as they are aware,  having been covered by another Caisse, they are new applicants/entrants as if coming off an E 106 and therefore cannot now join.   What they need to do is explain this to their CPAM with documentary evidence and then apply to join the CMU Base under the 5 year residence rule again with documentary evidence of continued residency, like a C de S or tax bills/returns, utility bills don't really prove residency, only that you own a house in France. All sweetness and light on this part of the Forum.    Report

23/10/2008, 19:07 gosub Joined on 15/01/2008 North of 47 Posts 622 Re: Renewal of Carte Vitale refused Ron wrote "I think the OP's problem is that they were not in the CMU Base in November 2007 so therefore it really does matter as to how this can be resolved.  The fact that they were not in the CMU Base before is probably why CPAM is refusing them admission to the CMU because as far as they are aware,  having been covered by another Caisse," "My wife and I have been in the CMU for 5 years.  I was working for a French company when we joined, but stopped working for them the following year" Les    Report

24/10/2008, 13:38 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,863 Re: Renewal of Carte Vitale refused  gosub wrote: Ron wrote "I think the OP's problem is that they were not in the CMU Base in November 2007 so therefore it really does matter as to how this can be resolved.  The fact that they were not in the CMU Base before is probably why CPAM is refusing them admission to the CMU because as far as they are aware,  having been covered by another Caisse," "My wife and I have been in the CMU for 5 years.  I was working for a French company when we joined, but stopped working for them the following year" Les If he was working for a French Company or covered by an E 106 if working in the UK but living in France in that period he was NOT in the CMU despite what he thinks or writes.  As Jotty posted "Surely if you were working for a company you wouldn't be in the CMU. You would be in the Régime général des travailleurs"..... which is absolutely correct.  The CMU Base is NOT for workers, its for inactifs and the poor, hence my post. All sweetness and light on this part of the Forum.    Report

24/10/2008, 14:27 Boiling a frog Joined on 06/09/2004 16 Posts 904 Re: Renewal of Carte Vitale refused I think you will find that the OP said he has been here more than 5 years only worked for a french coy for 1 year and after that what? If he had been receiving health care via CMU for the past 4/5years then surely he would have known that in August every year you are sent a form to renew your  CMU B and to establish your cotisations. There would have been no need to go to CPAM in July because you would know that the application would be arriving in August . Have you ever actually completed an application for CMU at any time in the past 5 years Or am I missing something. It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or another George H W Bush 1988    Report

24/10/2008, 15:13 Will Joined on 22/09/2004 Sussex & 50 (Mortainais) Posts 6,173 Re: Renewal of Carte Vitale refused My understanding was that the person concerned worked in France some time ago, but would have had CMU cover on the vital date last year. In any case, the five-year-residence rule would also apply. As I mentioned before, there is confusion over the use of the term CMU. It actually stands for couverture maladie universelle, and is the general term used for health coverage for everybody who is eligible. It has come to be misused on this forum to mean CMU Base, or CMU-B, which is what you actually join when you cease to be covered by an E form - see http://www.cmu.fr/site/cmu.php4?Id=5. CMU B is not just for those on low incomes, as I hope the link will make clear.   Here is a Google translation of the first part: Universal coverage of basic allows access to health insurance for all persons residing in France on a stable and steady for more than three months, and who are not entitled to health insurance to another title ( professional activity, etc.). If you're in this situation, you will be supported by the general system for your home in France. Will intentionally blank signature http://www.vienormande.com    Report

24/10/2008, 15:44 Boiling a frog Joined on 06/09/2004 16 Posts 904 Re: Renewal of Carte Vitale refused If the op had CMU B cover in November last year then surely he would have known that an application form would be sent out in August to renew their CMU B ,especially if they have been in France for 5 years .Why go to CPAM in July ,why not wait as everyone else does /did until August for the application form, why are CPAM asking for an E121(I suspect that the OP,s do not have sufficient French to explain that they want cover via CMU B),why not answer the question about applying for CMU B PS Will You are confusing things by quoting partial legislation  re entitlement to CMU B because as you are aware "" all persons residing in France in a stable manner for more than 3 months""  no longer applies to EU citizens who were not registered with CPAM on 23rd? Nov 2007 either via an E 106 form or via CMU B It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or another George H W Bush 1988    Report

24/10/2008, 16:04 Will Joined on 22/09/2004 Sussex & 50 (Mortainais) Posts 6,173 Re: Renewal of Carte Vitale refused True BaF, but the person concerned clearly was in France, with CMU cover, on the date in question, as they had a carte vitale. I agree with you about the application forms - it is looking as if there may be things that we are not being told about this particular situation. Yes, 23 November 2007 is the vital date. That is the date on which the French government issued a circular: http://www.securite-sociale.fr/comprendre/europe/europe/0711123_circ_dss_cmu_ue.pdf That made it clear that those with five years residence would have access to the health system in France. The government issued a further note in December 2007, with further information: http://www.securite-sociale.fr/comprendre/europe/europe/cmu_inactifs.htm Part of this reads (in translation): "For persons having lived in France continuously and legally less than 5 years in total, access to the CMU can only be allowed when, after having obtained a right of residence, these persons encounter a setback that causes a loss of financial resources or their medical insurance. Nevertheless, EU citizens who had already been given access to the basic CMU on or before the 23 November 2007 can continue to benefit from the CMU." Clair's FHI link goes further, in that it says anybody with an E106 or E109 form who was already resident in France before 23 November 2007 is eligible for access to CMU (sorry, I don't have an official source for that). Which I would have thought made the OP's position pretty clear-cut, if all is as they say. Will intentionally blank signature http://www.vienormande.com    Report

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