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 16/05/2008, 15:55
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Ron Avery
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Sadly the chances of them being caught are low. Its no wonder France is in the red. I know people who are in the CMU which is supposed to be linked to the tax system and they do not declare tax in France, they just show a P60 to CPAM as evidence of income and tax paid, as they equally cannot be bothered, which says a lot about the attitude of English functionaries!! However, at least their income is properly taxed in the UK.
To be honest BaF I doubt that the tax office would be interested, a friend had an ex tax office employee as a French teacher and asked about people she knew who did not pay tax, the teacher said they will be picked up some day when they need welfare!!
Ron in the Avey-ron
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18/05/2008, 16:59
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John Martin BRADLEY
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I hope they have thigh high wellies, 'cause they're more than knee deep in the doo doo.
When the system catches up with them, and it will, they are in for a nasty surprise. From many conversations I've had with people, two years seems to be a recurring timeframe for people living off-the-record to get caught out.
It would be no bad thing to impress upon your acquaintances that the longer they let this run, the worse it will get.
JohnMartin
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18/05/2008, 17:36
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Jay
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 John Martin BRADLEY wrote: | From many conversations I've had with people, two years seems to be a recurring timeframe for people living off-the-record to get caught out.
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Do you really think so? I have friends that have had a home here for 15 years and lived here permanently for 8 years. They had Gites income and an E111 in case they got sick. Their daughter goes to school here. They have never paid taxes. Recently they sold their large home and purchased two smaller properties. They have a big problem now, of course, if the want to join the healthcare system.
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18/05/2008, 18:02
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John Martin BRADLEY
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Certainly not a thing to advocate or expect to get away with if you're planning to move to France.
I've spoken to people who have had a dreadful time when the proverbial "knock at the door" came - including three families who had to leave France after having completely lost their shirts.
It must be tremendously stressful worrying about what is goign to happen if you get caught. Much better to do the "right thing" and pay your dues in my humble opinion.
Two years of back-payment of cotisations (not such an issue with gite income) is normally enought to put most people in serious trouble. Fifteen years is another matter altogether.
Not to say that if you are going to benefit from what your host country has to offer it is only right to make your contribution (even if it is a horrendously large proportion of your income).
Wasn't there an amnesty for this sort of thing in the Dordogne a couple of years ago?
JohnMartin
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18/05/2008, 18:05
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KathyF
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The mind boggles, Jay! Presumably they were happy for their daughter's education to be paid for by other people's taxes? I wonder if they even paid any UK taxes to cover their E111.... And there are people who call immigrants to the UK scroungers! ![Angry [:@]](/cs/images/emotions/angry.gif)
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18/05/2008, 18:09
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Clair
 
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18/05/2008, 18:46
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Val_2
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Surely if they are paying in the UK won't the revenue there inorm their french counterparts sooner or later to check things out? I would be sh*****g myself I can tell you because if the french do come after them for their share, it could bankrupt them. They do it for artisans caught on the black and make them pay back years of cotisations the fisc deem to be owing and this is no different.
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18/05/2008, 18:54
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Ron Avery
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I must agree with Jay at the moment you would have too be very unlucky to get caught.
If anyone watched France 24 yesterday "Reporters" , about illegal workers in Parius and the French attititude to them, you would have seen that the chances of anyone getting caught not paying taxes is very low.
One Cleaner in Paris was an illegal worker but she had actually gone and collected a tax form each year had paid taxes for three years but had not been identified as having no Social security number, she believed that if she had evidence of working and paying taxes for five years she could be accepted in France just shoprtt of five years in France wqorking illegally, she approached the tax office for a SS number as she wanted to join the Healthcare system and she asked the tax office what to do, they said get your employer to sort it out for you.
There were fake T de S being sold for 250€ good enough to fool an employer and Pass ports for 5000€. On one building site the boss admitted that he had lost a lot of his worke force from Mali during a raid as they had no papers but they were all back working using other people's papers. A reporter asked for a job and said he had no papers as he was an illegal and the supervisor told him to borrow somebody else's papers.
Ron in the Avey-ron
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18/05/2008, 19:09
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sweet 17
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I, too, am very sceptical about anyone being caught.
The worst, but not the only, case I know of involves a couple on E121 who have lived here for nearly 4 years. They have never filled in a tax form, have full CPAM cover, top-up, the lot. Naturally, they own a couple of vehicles both still on British plates.
They own a large property back in the UK , which is let for a very handy 4 -figure sum - pay no tax in UK. In receipt of state and government pensions, all very comfortable.
Last year, they asked me whether I knew how they could claim for a reduction in their taxe d'habitation as they are "only 2 old pensioners" and they thought this tax was excessive!
As I say, not by any means the only people I know who live happily and seemingly trouble-free in France without paying impots and with perfect impunity.
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