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 27/04/2008, 9:45
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cassis
 
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What - you were upset by the videos that I posted? ![Confused [8-)]](/cs/images/emotions/confused.gif)
Zoggy played guitar, jammin' good with Weird and Golly.
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29/04/2008, 18:25
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LouFlat
Joined on 29/04/2008
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As unpleasant as the content of the links posted by Christine were / are, it is important that we, Joe public, become more aware of things that are classed as acceptable in our world
If ever there was a website which could jolt the most hardened mind into shunning horsemeat, it has to be horsekillers.com <- not a weblink, sorry, but most browsers will find the site. It also gives another slant on the American rodeo circuit and the consequences of 'entertainment' - not a pleasant one either. A word of caution: The welcome page is distressing enough, most of the filming in the clips available has been done covertly and is horrific. It is most definately NOT for the faint hearted. I thought I had seen it all, until I saw some of theses videos. Please do not watch them if you are easily upset.
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29/04/2008, 18:54
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Christine Animal
Joined on 14/05/2005
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This is the one which really shook me, posted once by Chris pp. I couldn't finish it, it is very long Earthlings. I no longer see the packets of meat in the supermarkets in the same way.
I was trying with the previous links to show the horror of the industrial farming, where little beings are grown and cropped, throwing out the rotten ones, like champignons de Paris. The champignons are probably treated with more care.
When we see the nice clean packets of meat, we should at least know how it got there and spare a thought for all those poor little devils.
I have just seen that in 2012 the battery hens will have larger cages, 150 square centimetres extra, the size of a postcard, on top of the A4 piece of paper size they now have. What progress!
I have also just seen in the magazine "30 Millions d'Amis" photos of the dogs piled up high squashed on top of each other in cages in China. You can go on and on.
I haven't seen your horse film Lou, maybe I'll have the courage to do so!
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29/04/2008, 21:55
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LouFlat
Joined on 29/04/2008
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I sat & watched Earthlings, no mean feat as my wireless connection is capricious at best - how did humans get to be SO inhumane? I accept that when we were running around in loincoths hunting for dinner and killing it, that education was a little short of what we have at our disposal today. How many steps backwards have we taken since then? I have to admit to a wry smile when the elephant trampled the humans - if they HAD to shoot it (and they probably did have to), WHY use such a small rifle?? Similar to trying to kill a human with several poorly aimed air-rifle pellets.
I am a meat eater, & when in the UK, I know where my chicken & beef is farmed & I know where they go to be slaughtered and I have a very good working relationship with my butcher... & I do not buy my meat from supermarkets. Here, however, I know that I am subscribing to everything I find morally wrong, each time I buy meat, purely because I can't say I know anything about the origins of my evening meal.
In a similar vein, a documentary was aired in the UK last year, following the working lives of some of the employees of an abbatoir in Yorkshire. The deaths of the animals involved became almost an irrelevance next to the utter contempt with which they were treated. It was a re-run of the worst case of immature schoolboy bullying, in the hands of licensed killers - and that was all you could describe them as. They made Josef Mengele look like a respectable research scientist. It wasn't the slaughter that was offensive, it was the behaviour of 'civilised' man that was contemptible.
Jamie Oliver hosted a TV programme, last year, with the popular 'green' lifestyle advocate, Hugh Fearnely-Whittingstall; all about chicken farming. To precis the programme, he explored the various routes by which the roast chicken arrived at the table, asking a cross-section of diners to reveiw the taste differences, even obtaining his licence to slaughter chickens - which he undertook to do in front of said invited dinner guests {unsurprisingly not actually aired on prime time tv!} to underline his point. Which was, quite simply, not asking people to give up meat, but to care about the meat they ate and notice the difference in taste between the mass-produced bird and the humanely-reared counterpart. He also gave a few of the UKs biggest supermarkets a severely uncomfortable ride. One of the biggest still sells its 'cheap' chicken - a product which farmers cannot produce caringly for the price that supermarkets are willing to pay. It became clear that the consumer wasn't the biggest bad guy, but, in fact, the supermarket buyers. Many of the farmers interviewed would have preferred to give their chickens the better life, albeit short, but would have lost their supermarket contracts had they done so.
Earthlings is a wake up call to all of us who have become complacent about life in general. I'm not advocating vegetarianism or veganism, just a conscience and a little caring. There ARE better ways. It is the responsibility of the consumer to start asking the questions and voting with their feet.
And, Christine, you are right: the glossy, blood-free, sterile environment we enter in a supermarket, makes us forget, for a moment, about the life that was once in the styrofoam container. I used to think that I could never raise an animal from infancy and then kill it to eat it. Recently, however, I wonder if maybe I could- knowing that that animal had lived a peaceful and unmolested life thus far. Perhaps all we meat eaters should try it?
Phew! Sorry about the rant! Time for a glass of wine (organic! - an accident, I promise) to soothe the fevered brow! Soapbox back on shelf - but only til next time.
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29/04/2008, 23:13
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Christine Animal
Joined on 14/05/2005
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Lou, if you want to find good quality meat when you are here, there are farms who raise and sell their own meat, where the animals have had better living conditions and proper food. Some are ferme-auberge and some sell their meat and charcuterie. I did a search for Viande à la Ferme, but you could do the same by adding your département. Even if you go to your local village boucherie or charcuterie, you will usually find better products than in the supermarkets.
Viande à la Ferme
I've just done the Deux-Sèvres
There is one near Melle where they do their own pork.
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29/04/2008, 23:28
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Christine Animal
Joined on 14/05/2005
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On this site Acheter Bio
there is even a site with natural and bio products for dogs and cats Albert le Chien
and they do Arden Grange, haven't some people been asking about that brand?
I'll have to have a look at all that tomorrow!
animalaidsaintaubin.monsite.orange.fr/
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