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13/05/2008, 12:28 cruddler Joined on 20/07/2007 71 Posts 35 Re: Is an FD5 a FD5? Do you still need to fill in an FD5 if you have already been removed from the UK Tax System? After some delay I have eventually been issued a NT Tax Code by the UK and my Tax Office insists that once I receive my P60, my tax for the last tax year will automatically be refunded. They had never heard of an FD5 and didnt see that it was necessary    Report

13/05/2008, 13:04 gosub Joined on 15/01/2008 North 47 Posts 271 Re: Is an FD5 a FD5? If you don't need to claim a tax refund from the UK, then you won't need to use an FD5 to reclaim any tax taken at source. Les    Report

13/05/2008, 13:22 cruddler Joined on 20/07/2007 71 Posts 35 Re: Is an FD5 a FD5? But I do need to claim a Tax refund from the UK. They have been taxing me for the last 7 Months on PAYE while they have been losing and then processing my P85 application. Now that my NT Tax code has been issued, they say that the refund will be done once my P60 is issued which suggests no need for me to submit the FD5 but I dont want to get off on the wrong foot with my new taxers (?!)    Report

13/05/2008, 13:37 Benjamin Joined on 21/08/2005 Vendée South Posts 1,718 Re: Is an FD5 a FD5?  cruddler wrote: Do you still need to fill in an FD5 if you have already been removed from the UK Tax System? After some delay I have eventually been issued a NT Tax Code by the UK and my Tax Office insists that once I receive my P60, my tax for the last tax year will automatically be refunded. They had never heard of an FD5 and didnt see that it was necessary So you're not actually out of the UK tax system yet. If you've got the name/rank/number/inside leg measurement/bra size(delete as appropriate) of the person who promised your refund then it's pointless filling in an FD5. It used to be possible if you were working abroad for a UK company, to declare yourself non-resident to the UK tax system and have wages etc paid gross but then not declare yourself tax resident in the country where you were working. The FD 5 effectively stops this happening. If the person who promised you the refund accepts what you're telling them without proof that you're in the French tax system, then you're home and dry. The reason a "normal" tax office would not know what an FD5 is, is because after leaving the French system they are channelled to HMRC Centre for Non-Residents and not back to your current tax office. Will you come back and let the forum know if your tax refund does come through without any further prompting from you? Benjamin St Malo 1-New evidence suggests mis-trial    Report

13/05/2008, 13:56 cruddler Joined on 20/07/2007 71 Posts 35 Re: Is an FD5 a FD5? I have effectively proved that I am in the French Tax system via the ardous processing of my P85. It was they that decided that I was to be taxed wholly by France and that I warranted being removed from the UK Tax System. Everytime I speak to them they say they say that I will be due a refund....perhaps I should have got names and address tho And yes of course, I will report back although I am awaiting a UK self assesment form apparently so would guess that its completion counts as further prompting    Report

13/05/2008, 14:06 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 3,739 Re: Is an FD5 a FD5? As a holder of a so called 'workers E106', issued by HMRC, is this not de-facto evidence that I am no longer UK resident ? If so what need should there be for an FD5 ?   My doctor said one drink per day, I can live with that !    Report

13/05/2008, 14:07 Benjamin Joined on 21/08/2005 Vendée South Posts 1,718 Re: Is an FD5 a FD5?  cruddler wrote:        although I am awaiting a UK self assesment form apparently so would guess that its completion counts as further prompting You're drip feeding bits to us here cruddler.  Yes, the completion of a UK self assessment form will effectively do this for you and I suspect nothing will happen, irrespective of what you may have been told, until that is processed. The self assessment form can be a useful way of getting tax back if you receive an unexpected taxed item of income in the UK after you are already into the French system (although off the top of my head I can't think of a real circumstance where this might happen). Best of luck and don't hold your breath as others have found out. Benjamin St Malo 1-New evidence suggests mis-trial    Report

13/05/2008, 14:10 Benjamin Joined on 21/08/2005 Vendée South Posts 1,718 Re: Is an FD5 a FD5?  ErnieY wrote: As a holder of a so called 'workers E106', issued by HMRC, is this not de-facto evidence that I am no longer UK resident ? If so what need should there be for an FD5 ?   Sorry Ernie Y I don't know much about E forms so I can't comment on this one. Benjamin St Malo 1-New evidence suggests mis-trial    Report

13/05/2008, 15:01 Benjamin Joined on 21/08/2005 Vendée South Posts 1,718 Re: Is an FD5 a FD5?  Benjamin wrote:  ErnieY wrote: As a holder of a so called 'workers E106', issued by HMRC, is this not de-facto evidence that I am no longer UK resident ? If so what need should there be for an FD5 ?   Sorry Ernie Y I don't know much about E forms so I can't comment on this one. Thinking about your earlier query Ernie the fact that you're known to HMRC because of your E106 so you're not trying to evade payment of tax then you effectively satisfy their criteria and the following bit lifted from my earlier thread... "It used to be possible if you were working abroad for a UK company, to declare yourself non-resident to the UK tax system and have wages etc paid gross but then not declare yourself tax resident in the country where you were working. The FD 5 effectively stops this happening." ............is effectively satisfied. So; yes, on the face of it an FD5 wouldn't do a lot but then again tax treatment when working offshore is an area completely unknown to most of us on the forum. Benjamin St Malo 1-New evidence suggests mis-trial    Report

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