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27/04/2008, 12:36 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,099 Re: Laboratory refuses to do the necessary analysis  Sprogster wrote: NormanH has an extremely good point to make. Can you imagine if this happened in the UK, it would be national news and you could probably sue the lab senseless! I don't think he has any point to make considering he lives in France and has been treated no differently to any other person who lives here.  To talk about suing on the basis of a letter the OP clearly hasn't understood is utter nonsense. The first time I had an X ray despite taking CV and attestation I was asked to pay 43€ and I got that back from CPAM and mutuelle, next time I had an X ray at the same place I took the mutuelle as well and paid nothing. With my Kine I pay and get it back from CPAM, there is no hard and fast rule for this, we don't live in the UK so please stop comparing the French system to the NHS. Ron in the Avey-ron    Report

27/04/2008, 14:24 Quillan Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 3,576 Re: Laboratory refuses to do the necessary analysis Although I too have 100% cover for my heart I have to pay the lab bills and claim them back by sending the form. My wife also has a problem that requires regular blood tests and its the same for her. I am under the impression that if you have 100% cover for long term illness it's different than the 100% cover you get for being poor. I say this because I know a person who gets 100% cover for this reason and they never pay 'up front' as I have witnessed more than once. Normally the lab gives us the results but not the claim form (the form they give you to send to CPAM for your reimbursement) until we have paid, this is normally because I forget my cheque book and they don't take plastic. http://www.chambresdhote.com    Report

27/04/2008, 15:35 NormanH Joined on 10/04/2008 Posts 179 Re: Laboratory refuses to do the necessary analysis  Ron Avery wrote:  Sprogster wrote: NormanH has an extremely good point to make. Can you imagine if this happened in the UK, it would be national news and you could probably sue the lab senseless!   To talk about suing on the basis of a letter the OP clearly hasn't understood is utter nonsense. I am not sure what I haven't understood. Would you be so kind as to enlighten me? By the way I never mentioned 'sueing' I simply tried to bring to peoples' attention that things that are automatically free under the NHS aren't necessarily here.    Report

27/04/2008, 15:42 NormanH Joined on 10/04/2008 Posts 179 Re: Laboratory refuses to do the necessary analysis  Clair wrote: I am at a loss to see how an unpaid lab bill equates with poor health treatment I believe that you are French, so don't have the British 'gut instinct' that says when it is something like a test for cancer, money doesn't come into the equation. For most Brits 'good health treatment'  is synonymous with it being accessible for everybody, not just about the quality of the Doctor (which incidentally I find much better in the UK than in France, if you manage to get an appointment!) In some ways France is more American, and more commercial than the UK    Report

27/04/2008, 15:45 Maricopa Joined on 01/10/2007 Hérault Posts 160 Re: Laboratory refuses to do the necessary analysis  NormanH wrote: What I would like to do is make a lot of fuss about it. Has anyone any good ideas about who I can approach for maximum publicity?  NormanH wrote: I am not sure what I haven't understood. Would you be so kind as to enlighten me? I simply tried to bring to peoples' attention that things that are automatically free under the NHS aren't necessarily here.    Report

27/04/2008, 15:46 Clair Joined on 23/08/2004 ------- Forum Moderator ------- Lot Posts 6,255 Re: Laboratory refuses to do the necessary analysis  NormanH wrote: I believe that you are French, so don't have the British 'gut instinct' that says when it is something like a test for cancer, money doesn't come into the equation. What a load of tosh! Next you'll be teaching me humanity.. Clair, a Real Virtual French Person La vérité est si obscurcie en ce temps et le mensonge si établi, qu'à moins d'aimer la vérité, on ne saurait la reconnaître. (Blaise Pascal)    Report

27/04/2008, 16:00 J.R's gone native Joined on 16/07/2006 Picardie, Sussex Posts 1,695 Re: Laboratory refuses to do the necessary analysis Norman I beleive that you have been here a reasonably long time from some of your postings and your command of the language, I also appreciate that this must be a worrying time at the moment but does it really acheive anything to be comparing completely differnt health systems? I am sure that even people like myself who did little or no research compared to most and moved countries on gut instinct would not be naive enough to expect the health systems to be the same, so why try to warn people that "British gut instict" does not apply in France? FWIW I think it is a reasonable assumption (and I apologise if I am wrong) that the testing clinic/laboratory is a private enterprise and therfore money does come into the equation.    Report

27/04/2008, 17:05 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,099 Re: Laboratory refuses to do the necessary analysis "NormanH has an extremely good point to make. Can you imagine if this happened in the UK, it would be national news and you could probably sue the lab senseless!" Another one who does not understand how the health service works in France, and/or the variations in whether you pay up front or not,  but at least he/she does not  live here.  I believe that you can get your prescriptions made up at the chemist free of charge in France if you have a carte vitale and a mutuelle, how marvellous, In the UK you have to pay £7.10 for each item, and if you don't have the money with you they won't give them to you,  what a disgrace. Ron in the Avey-ron    Report

27/04/2008, 17:25 NormanH Joined on 10/04/2008 Posts 179 Re: Laboratory refuses to do the necessary analysis  Ron Avery wrote: "NormanH has an extremely good point to make. Can you imagine if this happened in the UK, it would be national news and you could probably sue the lab senseless!" Another one who does not understand how the health service works in France, and/or the variations in whether you pay up front or not,  but at least he/she does not  live here.  I believe that you can get your prescriptions made up at the chemist free of charge in France if you have a carte vitale and a mutuelle, how marvellous, In the UK you have to pay £7.10 for each item, and if you don't have the money with you they won't give them to you,  what a disgrace. But of course I pay for the Mutuelle, which I wouldn't have to in the UK, and I also pay 8% of my pension for the côtisations toward the Carte Vitale, which a British pensioner wouldn't pay... And that is whether or not I am ill. I also believe that people on a low income don't pay prescription charges in the UK. So why is that amusing?    Report

27/04/2008, 17:39 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,099 Re: Laboratory refuses to do the necessary analysis Norman H said "But of course I pay for the Mutuelle, which I wouldn't have to in the UK, and I also pay 8% of my pension for the côtisations toward the Carte Vitale, which a British pensioner wouldn't pay."  But you are not a British pensioner are you?  If you were,  you would have an E121 and would not be in the CMU would you???  Ron in the Avey-ron    Report

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