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28/03/2008, 22:23 Frederick Joined on 19/11/2007 Vendee 85/ Dorset Posts 201 Re: Reporting illegal working £17.43 plus tax per hour to have your grass cut .......hmmmm     ..... Is that the normal rate for a bit of gardening in France today....... its more than my neighbours pay for gardening in the  UK   .....are you busy Steve ?    Report

28/03/2008, 22:46 Gardian Joined on 15/02/2006 Gard Posts 1,439 Re: Reporting illegal working This whole subject is very topical for us. Nobody around here seems to think that they should pay TVA on any service provided. That's the locals & our (not Brit) residence secondaire neighbour.  Where do they think the tax revenue is going to be generated for this country?  It's always someone else who should be paying. Meanwhile, they complain that the country is going down the tubes and Sarkozy is going to bankrupt them. We love them dearly, but really .........    Report

28/03/2008, 22:58 BJSLIV Joined on 23/08/2004 Posts 2,519 Re: Reporting illegal working £17.43 plus tax per hour to have your grass cut .......hmmmm     Using the Cheque Emploi system the minimum wage plus charges equates to 11 euros an hour. So this probably represents the absolute lowest rate for basic labour. If someone is providing equipment, travelling to the job a  100% markup doesn't seem unreasonable. As to whether it is achievable in the context being discussed in this thread is perhaps another question. Ther additional complication at present is the current rate of exchange. 22 +Vat at last years rates (£14.80 ish) were eminently more affordable AND perhaps more in line with UK rates/expectations.    Report

28/03/2008, 23:27 steve Joined on 23/02/2008 Northern Dordogne Posts 94 Re: Reporting illegal working Yes, we are very busy - took on 3 new gardens last week alone. We are now choosey as to what we take on - we dont bother with small gardens that just require the walk behind mower - its not worth unloading it - we have a minimum charge of 1 hr - if it takes 20 mins with the ride on, we charge the same. Most gardens are between 1 and 3 hrs cutting, with one or two upto 6 hrs. Dont forget, we have to buy this equipment and run it, pay out cotisations etc. Last year we quoted 20€/hr for a local job that we estimated would take 2 days to complete. We lost to another chap who charged 15€/hr, but he took 4 days to do the job as he didnt have the right kit..........We have several mowers now of all types to make our lives easier more than anything else. We have also started to charge TVA this year with no customer complaints. Steve D&S Property Services    Report

29/03/2008, 6:30 Tony F Dordogne Joined on 10/04/2005 Small village in the Dordogne, near St Cyprien Posts 1,517 Re: Reporting illegal working As I've said on here many time before, I really have a problem with people working on the black, especially when they're effectively guests in France.  I understand the French system of 5 days for the government and one day for me and if registered Brits/Dutch whoever want to do that's ok I think, it's an 'accepted' way of the whole economy working here and whilst the French tax authorities know it happens, they don't actively chase those doing it. But there are just so many people in my area who are working wholly on the black, setting up as builders, gardeners, whatever and trying - trying only - to build houses for their 'clients', it makes me furious.  One guy is wholly unregistered, was a mechanic in the UK and is working all day every day as a builder and is now starting to build a house for somebody.  Another is registered as a painter and is touting for work as a builder, saying that he's built houses for people in France - I've seen an example of his painting and a wall he built, painting was *** and the wall had to be demolished and rebuilt. And it's bizarre how may of the 'au noir' are also driving round in UK registered cars, no VEL and no carte vert either. I have no sympathy for the people working on the black, great sympathy for those registered artisans trying to earn a decent and legitimate living here (with perhaps a little cash in hand) and if they are reported by legitimate artisans, not a problem for me.  It's something that was discussed at our first council meeting and it's likely that our Canton will be looking at this sort of thing as part of it's enforcement work - I'm going to volunteer for the Commission! Tony F Dordogne (24) Huguenot Trails    Report

29/03/2008, 6:57 steve Joined on 23/02/2008 Northern Dordogne Posts 94 Re: Reporting illegal working  Tony F Dordogne wrote: I have no sympathy for the people working on the black, great sympathy for those registered artisans trying to earn a decent and legitimate living here (with perhaps a little cash in hand) and if they are reported by legitimate artisans, not a problem for me.  It's something that was discussed at our first council meeting and it's likely that our Canton will be looking at this sort of thing as part of it's enforcement work - I'm going to volunteer for the Commission! Hurrah! Steve D&S Property Services    Report

29/03/2008, 7:35 LesFlamands Joined on 10/09/2004 24 Posts 246 Re: Reporting illegal working I only report those who I have lost contracts to directly. I am then able to give details of the client and report the builder for working without a signed estimate. In a lot of cases the 'contractor' has a siret no. but has a team of stray brits who are working for cash. I've reported them to the URSSAF, Impots and Gendarmes. Sometimes the result is obvious as the site closes down but in other cases nothing much appears to happen but, as far as I know, all those I have reported over the years are no longer living in France. What can you do when you've lost a job to someone you know doesn't have insurance? Regards   Charles    Report

29/03/2008, 10:14 Frederick Joined on 19/11/2007 Vendee 85/ Dorset Posts 201 Re: Reporting illegal working Good luck Steve ......I somtimes wish I had somone like you on my door step in the Vendee ...I  have recently forked out on a self drive mower to tackle my grass as when left a few months like over winter its heading up round my knees ...I dont have a field ...but I have got enough ...      Report

29/03/2008, 14:11 Jo Joined on 06/08/2006 86, Vienne. Posts 288 Re: Reporting illegal working Just to clarify things, if someone has a siret number, does that guarentee that they are registered? Someone did mention to me it doesn't automatically mean they are, and I would like to know if I am, inadvertantly,  employing someone on the black. Love all, trust a few, do harm to no-one.    Report

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