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 08/02/2008, 21:35
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abbo2
Joined on 08/06/2007
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Re: UK advertising VAT exemption
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However, for intra-EU supplies the UK supplier may zero-rate his invoice if it shows the EU VAT number of the customer. quote
zero rated supplies apply to the supply not to the supplied, you must prove that you are a business and in the uk this is more problomatic.
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09/02/2008, 7:03
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Muzzie
Joined on 12/01/2007
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Blimey.......
This probably explains why they did not accept /recognise our SIRET number.
Will - you mentioned that we can work out the TVA number from the SIRET, please can you tell me how to do this otherwise I have to wait until Tuesday to ask the accountant. We are TVA registered, I just dont know the number.
Thanks to everyone for their help, I guess the previous publishers we've worked just dint bother to ask...?
Muzzie
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09/02/2008, 8:42
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Will
 
Joined on 22/09/2004
Sussex & 50 (Mortainais)
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Re: UK advertising VAT exemption
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 Muzzie wrote: | |
Will - you mentioned that we can work out the TVA number from the SIRET, please can you tell me how to do this ...
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Sorry, my memory wasn't quite accurate. Looking it up again I see that the TVA number is based on the SIREN, i.e. the first nine digits of the SIRET (less the five-digit code at the end). The TVA number consists of a country identifier - i.e. FR, followed by two digits, followed by the SIREN. The two digits are the bit you will have to confirm with your accountant because I don't think they can be calculated.
So if your SIRET is 1234567890034, your TVA number will be FRxx123456789 (where xx is the two digit code referred to above).
Edit - although in another current topic (http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/1158572/ShowPost.aspx) Nick seems to confirm what I originally thought. I am in England and my former TVA paperwork is in France at present, so I can't easily check back for a few days.
Will
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21/02/2008, 22:04
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Nick Trollope
Joined on 23/08/2004
Broons, Dept 22
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Re: UK advertising VAT exemption
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| abbo2 wrote: | zero rated supplies apply to the supply not to the supplied, you must prove that you are a business and in the uk this is more problomatic. |
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True, but that only serves to obfuscate. The "supplied", by being VAT/TVA registered receives the goods without VAT/TVA (ie. not at 0%, which is applied to a few items in the UK and very few in France). He/she/it then pays the TVA/VAT at their local/appropriate rate and accounts for it to their VTA/VAT authorities. etc etc...
But that is getting off the point really.
But, the other point is that proof is not problematic (in the UK). It rests in the VAT certificate issued by HMRC. Every VAT-registered person, body corporate etc has one.
So, the point is... Everything bought from the Uk by a TVA-registered French business is free of (UK) VAT, but it must be accounted for in France and a SIRET number is no proof of TVA regsiration.
You (who?) shouldn't really need to be told this - VAT has been around (in the UK) since 1971 and anyone in business must deal with it day in and day out. IANAA, but I know how it works...
I've really lost the plot now, haven't I?
Nick www.aplaceinfrance.com
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01/03/2008, 23:26
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Goo_Rat
Joined on 23/08/2004
16, Charente / Dordogne border
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I have had this exact problem before. We are registered for TVA, as is our supplier.
The explanation I have been given by the auditors of the publisher is that (an here is the good bit). The advert purchased is printed/distributed in the UK for the UK market, it is not exported, therefore it is liable for VAT.
Other advetisers we have used in the UK have not charged us VAT though...
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02/03/2008, 0:06
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Albert the InfoGipsy
Joined on 01/07/2006
SDF, somewhere in 56
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Sounds like the ones that charge you have got it right. This extract from HMRC's Web site was quoted earlier.
If your business supplies goods to VAT registered customers in other EC Member States and those goods are removed to another EC country the supply may be zero-rated provided you meet certain conditions. You must:
- obtain and show on your VAT sales invoice your customer's VAT registration number including a 2-letter country code prefix
- ensure the goods are sent or transported out of the UK to a destination in another Member State within specified time limits
- hold satisfactory commercial documentary evidence that the goods have been removed from the UK.
If you do not meet all these conditions you must charge and account for VAT in the UK.
Albert the InfoGipsy
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